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Qasim Rashid, Esq.

Boomer: At your age in 1970 I paid off college and bought a house with hard work.

Millennials: At your age in 1970 college was 5% of median salary—Now it’s 44%. A median home was $24K—Now its $417K. The top marginal tax rate was 70%—Now its 37%. You worked hard—and then closed the door behind you.

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Chumchum Tumtum

@QasimRashid the boomers didn't close the door, the ruling class did. Which generation of the ruling class did what is of little consequence, and for intergenerational bickering to take place among the working class is simply not productive. The boomers did what they could, with what they were given. Information was much harder to come by, in their times, and the evidence of their environment led them to believe that reliance on the government and corporations would lead to a good world

Vincarsi

@JPinNV @fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid there is still an upsetting proportion of working class boomers who, while not responsible for the massively increasing inequality, still refuse to acknowledge it and would rather blame their kids for actions taken by their government.
I once had an argument with a boomer lady who insisted "We did our activism and you lazy kids lost all our gains. Asking us to stand with you now is you falling for divide and conquer, cause we're too old and tired to care.'

JPinNV

@Vincarsi @fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid And who does this attitude benefit? Not the so-called boomers, but the very wealthy.

Vincarsi

@JPinNV @fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid Sure, but pushing back against change, even if the change would be to their benefit and even if they've been essentially brainwashed into believing corrupt authorities over the younger people they claim to love, still makes them complicit.
I don't think the "OK boomer" stuff is necessarily unproblematic, but the form of pushback against it belies an entitlement to never have to be called out by people they see as beneath them.

JPinNV

@fcktheworld587 @Vincarsi @QasimRashid I don’t doubt that some attitudes can be mapped onto generational demographics. I just think that cultivating resentments between “generations” distracts from the true sources of (and responsibilities for) gross inequality, and so distracts from ways to address it.

Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Kushner: none of these guys are “Boomers”, but surely love it when we get so twisted about how the old folk have screwed us over & forget about taxes.

JPinNV

@fcktheworld587 @Vincarsi @QasimRashid But enough out of me. I’m hoping @QasimRashid will be very successful!

Vincarsi

@JPinNV @fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid My point is that characterising pushback against an entitlement that actively prevents collective action as "cultivating resentment" is exactly the kind of dismissive attitude that once again places the onus on young people to solve the problem without upsetting the people who stubbornly refuse to change even their view of their own, grown children as people with valid opinions instead of clueless children.

Hannah

@fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid yes, but there's a difference between "you're just lazy fucks as opposed to us" and "we didn't know any better, we did the best we could".

It's like ... I could maybe forgive my parents for hitting me - but where I draw the line is the stubbornness of them insisting I should hit my kids for better results...

Paxil

@fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid Boomers put Ronald Reagan and 2 Bushes in the White House and Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS that’s all it took.

Peggy March

@fcktheworld587 @QasimRashid Boomers worked crap jobs to give their children an education and safe and secure lives (just like the generation before) in the face of political turmoil and corporate greed. We didn’t feel entitled to anything. Just worked with/through whatever conditions existed.
A shift came later-80s/90s focus on celebrity, business, culture of “me”, then exacerbated by SM and a general erosion of values. Threw systems out of whack.

Mx Amber Alex

@QasimRashid and: 24k adjusted for inflation would be 192k today.

So lest anyone say "that's just inflation": adjusting for inflation, the price of housing has more than doubled (and wages didn't rise to match)

JPinNV

@QasimRashid I tend to think this boomer-vs-millennial framing distracts from the true split: the powerful & wealthy vs the rest of us. There are surely plenty of struggling boomers who want justice, and a few wealthy millennials who are just fine with the current state of affairs.

FoolishOwl

@JPinNV @QasimRashid It's like a lot of things: it's tempting to blame individuals for their individual actions, but we're in a social system in which democracy is a sham and we are frequently and systematically lied to, so even when the problem is our actions in the aggregate, our efforts to act collectively are actively thwarted or misdirected.

Snowshadow

@QasimRashid Wrong!!! It was the billionaires who closed the door!!

For a self-professed human rights lawyer ageism is a bad look.

MylesRyden

@QasimRashid

Have to say, not true in my case.

My first house had an 18% mortgage which I paid 6 points on. Yes, my college was cheaper and yes, members of my generation (or slightly before, actually) voted for assholes like Reagan who smiled alot and turned the country over to billionaires.

But not all of did, so please be careful.

Also call me back in 2060 let me know how well your generation actually did. Most of my generation started out as idealistic as you are.

Kudra :maybe_verified:

@MylesRyden @QasimRashid also, this is probably not quite the same because US politics is worse due to FPTP, but I would place serious money on the intergenerational diversity in position to remain very different, because the starting places were so wildly different. If you had a fair go in early life, you're going to want to hold on to what you were given and become more accepting of locking the gate behind you. If you weren't, you're unlikely to change your position until things change, and we have swung way too far in the direction of inequality in the last few decades for it to shift back without radical revolutionary acts.

cis.org.au/publication/generat

@MylesRyden @QasimRashid also, this is probably not quite the same because US politics is worse due to FPTP, but I would place serious money on the intergenerational diversity in position to remain very different, because the starting places were so wildly different. If you had a fair go in early life, you're going to want to hold on to what you were given and become more accepting of locking the gate behind you. If you weren't, you're unlikely to change your position until things change, and we...

MylesRyden

@kudra @QasimRashid

It was not "Boomers" who closed any gates. It was the billionaire class who sucked all the air out of the room and money from the economy. Boomers were like anyone else, they got up in the morning took the opportunities and lumps.

Retirement ages were raised on us -- based on lies about Social Security. We never decided elite colleges should charge billions in tuition.

Did my generation make mistakes? Of course we did. But we didn't do it to screw over our children and grandchildren.

If we don't all work together against the billionaire class things are going to get much, much worse -- and us Boomers will all be dead.

@kudra @QasimRashid

It was not "Boomers" who closed any gates. It was the billionaire class who sucked all the air out of the room and money from the economy. Boomers were like anyone else, they got up in the morning took the opportunities and lumps.

Retirement ages were raised on us -- based on lies about Social Security. We never decided elite colleges should charge billions in tuition.

Kudra :maybe_verified:

@MylesRyden @QasimRashid I wouldn't say it's an either/or situation. People of Boomer generation benefited from government policies of the time which taxed the rich, and as they got older, they were increasingly happy to vote for conservative policies, which yes, were designed to hoodwink them, and used terrible manipulation, but the net effect was this generation happily voted for the tax cuts that benefited them more personally as they got older. It benefited them *less* than the billionaires, but proportionately more than their children. There are outliers, but the generation has, as a whole, been singularly selfish and easily manipulated, against their own best interest - and the rest of us suffer even worse.

@MylesRyden @QasimRashid I wouldn't say it's an either/or situation. People of Boomer generation benefited from government policies of the time which taxed the rich, and as they got older, they were increasingly happy to vote for conservative policies, which yes, were designed to hoodwink them, and used terrible manipulation, but the net effect was this generation happily voted for the tax cuts that benefited them more personally as they got older. It benefited them *less* than the billionaires,...

Asheville Charlie

@QasimRashid
This is also the direct answer to why doesn't anybody want to work today.

It's not the same thing we're working for. We're working for survival and food. Owning a house and the general American dream does not exist anymore.

That's why nobody wants to work anymore.

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@QasimRashid
I hate this intergenerational stuff. It's a huge distraction from the fact governments are largely super rich folk ruling to help the super rich

climate voter/bike supremacist

@Christo @QasimRashid Not just super rich. A lot of just rich and a lot of non rich who vote GOP and got sucked into trickle down theory.

MatthewToad43

@tmstreet @Christo @QasimRashid Well making the place you live in into a ponzi scheme investment that's such a huge part of the economy that we can never allow prices to become more affordable ... isn't going to end well.

Young people (and early middle age people!) mostly rent.

Even when I had the money, and I'm relatively privileged, "investing" in the housing market always seemed utter madness.

Nowadays, after 5 months unemployment, and 6 months last time, the reality is as somebody with niche skills I'm going to have to rent for the rest of my life.

Arguably it isn't a lack of supply. Comparing the UK housing market to other countries with much lower rents and house prices, supply is similar. Though it may not be ideally distributed.

So the argument is that rent controls could solve the housing crisis. Prices would fall, landlords would sell out, government could cheaply buy up rented homes and rent them at social rents. But a lot of people would be in negative equity, and banks would look very shaky.

theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2

@tmstreet @Christo @QasimRashid Well making the place you live in into a ponzi scheme investment that's such a huge part of the economy that we can never allow prices to become more affordable ... isn't going to end well.

Young people (and early middle age people!) mostly rent.

Even when I had the money, and I'm relatively privileged, "investing" in the housing market always seemed utter madness.

MatthewToad43

@tmstreet @Christo @QasimRashid As regards intergenerational issues, the problem is Thatcher/Reagan economics, and the people who vote for parties that promise it.

In the UK, that's everyone. There are no Keynesians in mainstream parties, let alone modern policies such as degrowth. Yay for First Past the Post!

In spite of left wing policies being popular, and the right grossly mismanaging the economy for 14 years, there are a variety of myths that the left are somehow bad with the economy, and even that they somehow caused the 2008 financial crisis (tell that to the many US banks who failed first!).

Unfortunately in the UK, there's a strong correlation between vote and age. Independent of education and class. Class in particular makes little difference when age is factored out among white UK voters, while education is very closely correlated with age. On the other hand, race is still a significant divide, as in the US.

Either way, turnout is a problem. And pandering to the right, especially on cutting green policies (here) and Gaza (both US and UK) risk further reducing an already worryingly low youth turnout.

@tmstreet @Christo @QasimRashid As regards intergenerational issues, the problem is Thatcher/Reagan economics, and the people who vote for parties that promise it.

In the UK, that's everyone. There are no Keynesians in mainstream parties, let alone modern policies such as degrowth. Yay for First Past the Post!

climate voter/bike supremacist

@QasimRashid If this boomer had his way, it would have stayed at 90%. GOP is the main problem but Kennedy started the tax cuts. Not fair to target an entire demographic.

Lily Star

@QasimRashid You are 1000% on with this, my dude. Fascinating thread for watching Boomer apologists freak out.

@/Boomers: I am Betrayed by Boomer Hippies - watch your step before clutching your pearls at me.

Barbara Monaco

@QasimRashid Please don't make this about boomers vs. younger generations. Few if any of us would brag or gloat about the difficulty our children and grandchildren are having in purchasing a home.
Boomers did not close the door. It's complicated. Lay most of the blame on wealthy interests who with help of GOP policy commodified housing.
Instead of blaming boomers look for solutions. It will take all of us to fix this.

RiaResists

@Barbramon1 @QasimRashid and, I’m barely a “boomer”, by a couple months.
Ive never been paid a fair wage & could never purchase a home or anything too nice.
Lost 401k’s twice. And I’m even white.
Not everyone got those breaks.

Barbara Monaco

@RiaResists @QasimRashid As a divorced female boomer it took me many yrs to save enough money to buy my first home in MA. At a point interest rates were close to 20%. I waited until rates were in low double digits to buy. A récession enabled me to buy foreclosed property.
A poster whom I since blocked called boomers apologists. I won't tolerate it. Voted blue in every election, trying to give everyone a chance to live their best life.
Those who would divide us by generation do real damage.

Runyan50

@Barbramon1 @QasimRashid @RiaResists Replace capitalism with Doughnut Economics. If we do not replace capitalism, there will be major social unrest and it could easily lead to bloodshed.

Barbara Monaco

@Runyan50 @QasimRashid @RiaResists Sufficient numbers of people need to recognize that unrestrained capitalism is a huge Ponzi scheme. The numbers are not there yet, or we'd be seeing more movement toward making fundamental changes.

Tulsi_Sue

@QasimRashid We Boomers didn’t close the door behind us. Republicans did. All ages of Republicans.

Yakyu Night Owl

@QasimRashid Gen X: No lies detected. A good number of us still owed college loans into our 50s. Unlucky ones lost their homes in the foreclosure crisis, or weren't in that position in the first place because they've been renting their whole lives.

Betwixt & Between

@QasimRashid In the 1960s/1970s public universities received 50% government funding; now they receive 5% government funding. If our government doesn’t fund education AT ALL LEVELS, our whole society suffers.

Smitty

@QasimRashid Boomers: Nixon committed the USA to support Israel militarily. Millennials: Its Bidens fault.

Tom Capuder

@QasimRashid
Nice way to smear a whole generation, bigot.

Paul Botts

@QasimRashid Um...in 1970 the _oldest_ Boomers were turning 24 and the majority were still in high school. In fact as of that year more Boomers (e.g. me) were still in grade school than were old enough to have completed college.

Personally I think the shaming of our cohort is richly deserved; overall we have indeed been "America's Least Generation". Doesn't mean comparisons should be wrongly cherry-picked though.

Q. Edwards

@QasimRashid Yes and? Do you post this to both enrage and victimize us? Because that's really all it does. We have no path to power, bud. You know that, but doing this gets you views and helps you make money.

random thoughts

@QasimRashid
GenX: We're still paying rent, you know... Has everyone forgotten about us, again?

Lenora

@QasimRashid my Dad made about $378/month in 1968. He had to pay house note, car insurance, house insurance, feed and clothe 3 kids and a wife, pay for school supplies and books, car note. How much money do you think he had left over? He had 2 other part time jobs and my mother worked part time to make ends meet. All three of his kids worked starting at age 14 but yeah the boomers had it made

Leefeller Guy

@QasimRashid Ageism is just one more way to divide US.

CassandraVert

@QasimRashid
More stats for you:
Residential real estate costs tripled in the 1970s in my area (Cali).
I graduated from college in 1983, and students were still able to put themselves through college (the "five-year plan"). Right after that, tuition rose sharply.
After the 2008 crash, people could write a sign about their financial struggles, pose with the sign, and post the pic to a "we are the 99%" site. That site is a real time capsule.

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