Gregory's ServerOpen source is wonderful. It’s also full of people who could get actual compensation for their work if they just downed tools and went on strike.
|
72 comments
Establishing UBIs? Yeah that's been hard. The UBIs themselves? @dingodog19 @hunkyscotsman @whalecoiner that's not a real person you're replying to. He's sucking off Elon in numerous posts. @NosirrahSec @hunkyscotsman @whalecoiner  @dingodog19 I agree. My concern is what happens the first time we introduce UBI on a macro scale, big enough to potentially start a cycle of high-inflation/needing-to-boost-UBI/high-inflation/… I think the best way to prevent that will be to recognize that UBI at scale needs to be wealth redistribution — we'll have to increase taxation significantly on the most-affluent n percentile to dampen their non-essential spending and offset new (essential) spending by the least-affluent n percentile. @david_megginson @dingodog19 Just so. At least here in Canada, we didn't do that during COVID. The temporary income-support benefits like CERB were critical, but because we did nothing to offset that increase in the money supply at a time when supply chains were already wobbly (i.e. no additional supply to meet increased demand), we ended up with high inflation that we're only now bringing under control. We could take that as a macro-economic lesson in how not to do full UBI when the time comes. @hunkyscotsman wrote > So you want to try communism 2.0 No. I want to improve our current mixed public/private economic system by introducing UBI to replace a big part (not all) of our inefficient, high-overhead mishmash of targeted income-support programmes, and make our taxation a little more progressive to reduce the risk of inflationary pressure. This is all classic Keynes, not Marx Its more Marxist than Keynesian... If you could implement either UBI or universal healthcare, which one would you choose? @hunkyscotsman @whalecoiner Do you have any substantive critique of their work, or you just Know Stuff? 1. Most of those experiments were not randomized controlled studies. 2. Many of them were income or needs based. 3. They are not "universal"... Hence why I asked if you have an understanding of macro economics and not micro economics. @hunkyscotsman @whalecoiner Unless you can point to a logical mistake they made. So what is your substantive critique? @hunkyscotsman @whalecoiner I see you didn't read it before commenting. Figures. Let me know when you are up on the literature I read their website, hence why I know how they conducted their studies. I just don't know what paper you are specifically referring to. But initially I find it amusing that the conditions of the "research" they did, somehow doesn't invalidate what their "research paper" concluded, or is it really just an opinion piece? Such papers are open to criticism on two fronts: Which of these critiques are you making? /end Sorry, I gave you the direct link, I thought that would be easier for you. But if you prefer: "What we know about Universal Basic Income: A Cross-Synthesis of Reviews," Rebecca Hasdell, Stanford Basic Income Lab. Here's the link again. It's a PDF. @dingodog19 @hunkyscotsman he's just moving the goalposts. He's a brainless manlet hiding behind a faux-high ground of "centrism." (if not outright some poor third-world troll in a cubicle with no real opinion of their own) The risks and downsides are only going to show in a universally applied system once universally applied. That's a terrible experiment to conduct on a country and one that cannot be researched at small scale to guarantee any outcome. Look at how "scientific" the fed is, its calculated guesswork. That's what happens when you move from micro to macro.  @dingodog19 @whalecoiner UBI should not be the "reward" for working for others for free. You should still get compensated for your time lol  @mitsunee @dingodog19 @whalecoiner itd still be a huge step up from needing a whole other job just so the capitalist system deems you worthy of food tho   That, depends on how you count it. The Linux kernel? Yes. Webserver tools? Mostly yes. User land libraries: no GUI applications: hell no   @quinn @whalecoiner you live in a fantasy world, so I guess there's not much point arguing.  @whalecoiner Maybe… Or maybe the commercial world will go… ahh well, time to pay for another Windows license then. And Microsoft will laugh all the way to their bank's website.  @whalecoiner @lily @whalecoiner with respect, there are people that use OSS because they can't ethically justify using proprietary tools. Is not about the money. Or just people could be living without needing a paid job. @whalecoiner Either that, or there's an idea by an oss dev I heard some time ago where they develop what they need, and if you want a feature developed or fixed, you pay. I'm quite partial to that. I have a few bugs in various projects that I'd pay to have fixed, but those devs weren't exactly enthused by the idea.  I’m not sure what my point was with these posts. Apart from simply: “you’re not obliged to give your time away for free” and “big companies will ruthlessly exploit you when you do”. Anyway, it seems to have agitated the hive. *puts down phone, drinks tea*  That's the thing isn't it? Time isn't treated the same way as other resources. We think we have plenty enough to give away. Capitalism pivots on that idea. Because the pastry chef isn't just spending time. They're spending money on supplies. That's of course why that doesn't happen. Thank you to Dr Jim (@eatyourgreens) for reminding me that all the above is my true calling in life. ❤️ @whalecoiner the original story behind that comic is pretty funny. https://www.thepoke.com/2019/03/06/mansplained-comic-writer-takedown-brutal/  |
@whalecoiner
Better yet:
Establish a UBI so that society compensated them for their work rather than binding them tighter to a scarcity-based capitalism