@dansup People have a good reason to be upset, because those open protocols have no proper tools for users to feel themselves safe in the case of collaboration with some big-tech corpos being well known for lying many times to users. Such things should be developed in the first place, before someone even began thinking on opening, collaboration, federation etc. Before, not after the fact. The order plays an important role here. Doing the opposite will only produce horribly disastrous results.