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 @jimray I get the frustration, but IMO it's worth pointing out that 20 million people in first-world countries reducing their energy consumption by like 10% would still have a massive impact, too. In fact, I'd point out even more so that these changes that a lot of us are making to our habits are _even more important_ in light of the people with centralized power using it to make things worse! 16 comments
 @pixx the way to highlight the contrast is to say that we all have to do everything we possibly can to decarbonize because this is a crisis and we have no time to lose, yet these aholes are making everything exponentially worse, they’re drilling holes in the lifeboat while you’re bailing water. They’re also the ones who set the original ship on fire. The answer isn’t to stop bailing—the answer is to take away their drill and toss them into the sea. @susankayequinn @jimray But then people will reasonably point out that you and I _cannot_ take away their drill; that's the whole reason it's so demoralizing. No matter what good we do, they will keep making the problem worse. IMO the best phrasing I've seen so far was "the world-destroyers are acting quicker than expected, so we have to move faster than planned as well to save civilization" @pixx We can (&have been) taking away drills collectively. Just because we haven't taken all the drills (&yes, the world-destroyers are acting quicker than expected) means we need to work to convince people that collective action IS possible. The narrative that this is impossible is part of the problem. It's not. We need narratives that show how power actually works in the world and how you effect change. That's a narrative the drillers desperately do not want you to hear.   > It uses as much power and water as Guatemala It won't but even if it did, Guatemala has a per capita co2 output of 1 ton, America in comparison is 15 tons We're not even close even with an AI supercomputer tacked on top Also if you think 40 billion on AI is ridiculous, what's 100 billion on renewables? Saudi Arabia's energy minister on Monday said that the kingdom plans to invest 380 billion riyals ($101 billion) in renewable energy projects @ikt @jimray Per capita can be deceiving, though. Most of America's emissions are _not_ from median people, they're from industry. Per capita is actually kinda useless here, but so are numbers like "as much as Guatemala." How much does Guatemala use, as a portion of America's usage? Is this an increase to US pollution of 10%? 1%? 50%? The graph makes me think "closer to .1%", but I can't tell. That said, bumping demand while adding renewables is a mistake; doing so is why we don't have enough! |
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@jimray ...though to be clear I still fully agree with what you're saying. I shoulda found a better way to word that :/
I also don't know how to highlight this contrast - which I think is super important! - _without_ demoralizing people away from making better choices.