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The idea of starter packs and introductions are nice and all, but then this happens:

"omg someone who self labels as a zionist put me on an antisemite list on bluesky" (real case, anonymized)

People added to such (publicly shareable) lists and starter packs (two different things) do not get notified at all! Furthermore, they cannot remove themselves from such packs. Yes, you can report, but that might be too late.

Where is the informed consent? Why is it not a requirement to give consent before one shows up on lists. Why can consent to inclusion not be withdrawn? I mean, this stuff is trivial to do in a centralized app developed by a company with a lot of staff and millions in funding. Yet, it doesn't happen.

Move fast and break someone's life.

The idea of starter packs and introductions are nice and all, but then this happens:

"omg someone who self labels as a zionist put me on an antisemite list on bluesky" (real case, anonymized)

People added to such (publicly shareable) lists and starter packs (two different things) do not get notified at all! Furthermore, they cannot remove themselves from such packs. Yes, you can report, but that might be too late.

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Owlor

@rra I don't think I've seen a single crowdsourced blocklist that doesn't have at least one trans woman on it put there for no clear reason purely to ostracize her.

Starter packs might seem like a more positive idea on the surface, but it is also a form of forced hypervisibility and that's already an issue that queer people have to deal with a lot.

It might sound like a bit of a stretch, but putting people in starter packs without their consent reminds me a bit of this habit in publishing and bookselling of putting women and queer people of all genders in the "Young Adult" category regardless of if it's actually the age-range they are writing for. It's putting an author in front of an audience of young people, making them responsible for guiding them at the cost of potentially watering down their expression to fit that category or judging them for failing to do so.

Of course, the audience for a starting pack isn't just young people, but there's a similar dynamic of "here's a bunch of people who are just figuring things out, so you better be on your best behaviour and if you aren't we have an excuse to drive you out of the community for failing an audience you didn't ask for nor wanted."

@rra I don't think I've seen a single crowdsourced blocklist that doesn't have at least one trans woman on it put there for no clear reason purely to ostracize her.

Starter packs might seem like a more positive idea on the surface, but it is also a form of forced hypervisibility and that's already an issue that queer people have to deal with a lot.

Tim_Eagon

@rra and people think that fedi instance fighting is bad, wait for the starter pack and block list drama to explode...

Rich Puchalsky β©œβƒ

@rra

Bluesky's thing before Starter Packs was "Lists" which were almost solely used to put people on an insulting list discoverable through Clearsky as you blocked them.

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How about systems where independent publishers could own their platform? Or what about media where you actually get to see posts from those you follow?

The evening will start with short talks and then make space for a larger discussion and chats over a drink. Are you curious what fresh ideas from the past can tell us about the future and who are the people working on them? Join us at #Akasha Hub in #Barcelona on the 21st of February.

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Wow the Mastodon FAQ on Meta is a piece of work. Really short-sighted and apolitical.

"Will Meta embrace-extend-extinguish the ActivityPub protocol?"

1. Yes.
2. 'No, look at XMPP, that is still around' is the worst argument. XMPP is completely harmless and neutered with respect to challenging platform power. There are great people working on it and I use it daily for many years, but from a political perspective it is dead. It improves but is steadily years behind the curve with features. Momentum and perspective matter! It could have been turned around if an easy integration with Mastodon was made as it would have given Mastodon instances e2ee messaging, but that didn't happen. (Not too late for that yet btw!)
3. Here is how Meta will EEE ActivityPub:
It will start with Meta being the first ones that ship full account portability including post history. That is hard problem to solve decentralized, which is why we have it yet. But Meta won't care about that. They will just use Meta nameservers as a centralized identity provider which will make it possible. (Similar to how Bluesky does it btw. ) They are extremely well positioned to do this, FB is already "the identity platform" and there is regulatory pressure. From there on there will be increasing incompatibility and extensions on Meta's terms.

Wow the Mastodon FAQ on Meta is a piece of work. Really short-sighted and apolitical.

"Will Meta embrace-extend-extinguish the ActivityPub protocol?"

1. Yes.
2. 'No, look at XMPP, that is still around' is the worst argument. XMPP is completely harmless and neutered with respect to challenging platform power. There are great people working on it and I use it daily for many years, but from a political perspective it is dead. It improves but is steadily years behind the curve with features. Momentum...

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"Will Meta be able to show me ads?"

What prevents someone from liking or boosting sponsored posts from a generic sugary beverage company and that showing up in your timeline? It is a sad fact but true: people actually "like" and share ads.

Even then, what prevents Meta from sending out ads in your friends name the way they do on their own platforms? X like this, so now we show it to you as well!

clayote

@rra My reading on github suggested that the fact we don't currently have full post migration is due to performance and moderation concerns and not because there's an issue with the current way of proving you own both accounts. Is there something I'm missing?

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@1br0wn Hi Ian, I've been enjoying and following your work around DMA/DSA and interop mandates. To what extent do you think Meta's text application that supposedly will interoperate with activitypub is a direct consequence or even preemptive move to changing regulatory environment and antitrust legislation?

Ian Brown :fedi:

@rra Hi! Good question πŸ˜€ I suspect it is a mixture of these factors and the fact interoperability can help new entrants to a market by overcoming the chicken-and-egg problem of how to encourage users to switch to a social networking service with no users

wakest ⁂

@rra we are also doing a in person hub here in berlin!

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Yes donating to the admin is nice, but have you considered we can use this energy to build institutions for actual user power?

Large scale user unions which fund the systemic development and sustainability of this environment? That fund moderation labor across the network?

Democratic institutions that can push back simultaneously against Big Tech, BDFL like Mastodon and misguided legislation to regulate the internet?

Umbrella organizations that can shield users from arbitrary abuses of instances and simultaneously assist teams running instances with legal issues, know-how, funds and best practices?

We're currently only scratching the surface of what federated social networks can be and we need to be way more ambitious.

Yes donating to the admin is nice, but have you considered we can use this energy to build institutions for actual user power?

Large scale user unions which fund the systemic development and sustainability of this environment? That fund moderation labor across the network?

Democratic institutions that can push back simultaneously against Big Tech, BDFL like Mastodon and misguided legislation to regulate the internet?

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TheSecondVariation

The problem I see with institutions is they always turn sour after some time. Maybe I am just lacking imagination and don't get your vision.
@rra

Eric Stein οΏ½

@rra I guess the question is, how do we structure that and at what point did we reinvent the concept of governments? Not that that's a problem...

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I'm looking for this project from a few years back where someone trained a character-level recurrent neural network on a ton of .nfo files, text files and ansi banners.

The thing would spit out these nice weird super long deep-dream-meets-.nfo text files. I don't think they ever published the code, just remember a page with screenshots.

Obviously this is impossible to search for on google. Do you maybe recall this project? @praxeology @darius @aparrish

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> tfw @darius has written a book about your favorite videogame.

JA2 is hands down one of the best and weirdest games made. Released in 1999 people are still modding it over 20 years later. Other studios have purchased the naming rights and developed all kinds of sequels and spin-offs but no one has managed to get even close. The mods are pretty good however (mostly building on never finished features already present in the engine) and one can come back to the game every few years.

Looking forward to read it!

bossfightbooks.com/products/ja

> tfw @darius has written a book about your favorite videogame.

JA2 is hands down one of the best and weirdest games made. Released in 1999 people are still modding it over 20 years later. Other studios have purchased the naming rights and developed all kinds of sequels and spin-offs but no one has managed to get even close. The mods are pretty good however (mostly building on never finished features already present in the engine) and one can come back to the game every few years.

slwr

@rra @darius love this publisher: content, design, titles.. feel like buying all the books in bulk

Darius Kazemi

@rra hah, I had a dream about my book just last night!

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@Gargron can you confirm that whatever made gab vulnerable to SQL injections was indeed part of the customization they did themselves and is not part of the mastodon code they have forked?

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"I also got a bad taste in my mouth from Twitter supporting kinds of speech that I don't particularly agree with, and I began to feel like putting my toys and art there was just adding value to the network. For a while I felt that the tradeoff was that the art I published there still enriched my life and the lives of my friends. At some point, though, I started to feel like the balance got out of whack, and I could do more good by putting my work on alternate networks and giving people a reason to get off Twitter. "

All cultural producers with some degree of audience and influence should really think about this: what structures do I validate by my presence? What and whose structures do I reinforce? What other places can I advantage?

@darius in logicmag.io/security/party-at-

"I also got a bad taste in my mouth from Twitter supporting kinds of speech that I don't particularly agree with, and I began to feel like putting my toys and art there was just adding value to the network. For a while I felt that the tradeoff was that the art I published there still enriched my life and the lives of my friends. At some point, though, I started to feel like the balance got out of whack, and I could do more good by putting my work on alternate networks and giving people a reason to...

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