 According to Apple’s lawyers, "no reasonable user would expect that their actions in Apple’s apps would be private from Apple." I repeat to make it clear: According to Apple itself, no reasonable Apple user should expect privacy when using the device. So let’s make it even more clear: if you expect basic privacy using your Apple device, you are "unreasonable" (= a fool). (originally posted by @mysk ) 43 comments
@tuxicoman @ploum Apple's lawyers' statement was generic and inaccurate. Not all Apple apps are the same. Apple Maps for example doesn't link search queries to a user's profile. Locations visited and remain on-device or synced with other iCloud devices while end-to-end encrypted. Apple can still provide a way to opt out for apps that aren't private from Apple. But they don't, and that contradicts with the slogan "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" @tuxicoman @ploum We are working on a new video to highlight this. Might be ready next weekend. @mysk @tuxicoman : the point here is not what is technically happening right now. It is philosophical: if no reasonable user should expect privacy, they will invade that privacy. They will use those data against you. They will sell it. It’s Chehkov’s gun: any gun on the wall in the first act will be fired during the third act. (well, one might argue that they already do. The fact that they do it less visibly and in a more closed way than Google doesn’t make it less bad).  @tuxicoman @ploum @mysk @ploum @mysk Is this specifically iOS as a whole or only Apps that Apple made (eg, Maps, Music, Mail, etc?). From their verbiage it just states apps. Of course, I don't trust the OS either. One time an Apple engineer was able to remote view everything on my screen. Sure, I had to approve it from a prompt. But, who's to say they don't have a backdoored option to bypass any auth to do so. Crazy. @ploum@mamot.fr @mysk@mastodon.social when using their apps*. That's a subtle but still meaningful difference, and I'm curious what the argument actually would look like for the platform as a whole. The non-highlighted bit about how with electronic messages, unlike phone calls, you have zero reasonable expectation of privacy by default is far more interesting to me tbh, looking at this...   @ploum@mamot.fr @mysk@mastodon.social as far as we're concerned all apple users are fools      @ploum relevant, concerning poll with a sample that's biased in favor of the tech-savvy: https://mastodon.blaede.family/@cassidy/111904113883740678  One can't expect privacy with closed source. Proprietary Software Is Often Malware @ploum @mysk Apple, the so-called "innovator," basically calling their users fools if they expect privacy! This is the kind of arrogance you'd expect from Sloppy Steve, not a company that claims to be the best. They're saying, "Oh, you thought your information was private? Ha! Only a bonehead would think that!" This is why we need real leadership and transparency, not these tech giants treating us like we're not smart. We deserve better, folks. We deserve the finest in privacy and respect! #MAGA @ploum@mamot.fr @mysk@mastodon.social and yet my alternative choice is...Android, owned and operated by Google, which one might say is even worse than Apple on the issue of privacy. And yet regulators see no problem with this duopoly. 🤦♂️  you seem to be equating "apple's apps" = "Apple Device". Is that backed up in that filing? (honest question, I have not looked further than your post). I wonder because if I were using the apple maps app, I would assume they would get the addresses I searched for. If I am using find-my app with location services turned on, I would think apple would know my location. Are they saying that beyond those things that are required for the apps to work? @ploum @mysk The other alternative is Google. A complete duopoly nightmare. They are public companies which are required to use whatever they can to make profit.  @ploum @mysk Well, I think that you *are* a fool, if you expect privacy in your Apple device. But, "reasonable person" isn't defined the same way that I do in terms of a legal definition. "reasonable person," tends to me roughly "typical person." To me, "reasonable person," is someone who has a more than passable understanding of basic logical concepts. Ie. making a statement that self proves itself (ie. shows itself to be false) is not reasonable. It is typical. |
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This part applies to only the interaction with "Apple apps" for which there is user tracking & backend processing.
Like expecting a "google search" is private from Google ?