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Mike Sheward

@paburu it’s good for some things, and an interesting way to get started with RF exploration, personally I prefer the HackRF with a portapak but they both sort of complement each other. The flipper is definitely more stealthy!

Wilfried Klaebe

@SecureOwl Can the portapak do NFC, IR? The HackRF can't, the Flipper Zero can.

@paburu

Mike Sheward

@wonka @paburu good point, the portapak can’t do nfc or ir

Mike Sheward

@solonovamax flipperzero.one - Canada wants to ban them even though that doesn’t make much sense because there are plenty of other ways to do the things they do with easily obtainable hardware.

Stefan Monnier

@SecureOwl
Can't argue with that, but remember that they (still?) ask(ed) you to turn off your phone on planes for "security reasons"

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@monnier @SecureOwl They originally asked for cell phones to be turned off for safety, not security. FAA wasn't 110% sure, that a cell phone wouldn't interfere with the aircraft's instrumentation.

These days, they ask you to put your phone in airplane mode, so it won't be screaming out for a cell tower it can't reach. Thus making it so your phone will have a charge on it, when you land.

Ed Davies

@nthp @monnier @SecureOwl Specifically, old-style analog phones on around 800 to 900 MHz could not be guaranteed not to interfere with DME positioning as a result of powerful nearby transmissions on the mirror IF frequency of the aircraft's DME receiver.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance

Serge from Babka

@SecureOwl

The anti-Flipper Zero hype reminds me of past hype, such as anti-D&D and anti "Violent Video Games", and "Rock and Roll Music"

Sammal

@SecureOwl

You can’t defend yourself to security, you must impose cost for the attacker. So I propose that these attackers are treated as terrorists and shot on the spot like Osama bin Laden.

Jessica's new Main

@SecureOwl@infosec.exchange time to buy a hackrf one and be an absolute menace to society

Idwthama

@SecureOwl politicians never fix the root cause of problems. They're always afraid of becoming useless in a working society.

Ian Rudderbutt

@SecureOwl y’all think this is going to cause a run on Flipper Zeros, the same way gun sales take off whenever someone mentions firearms regulations?

Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm:

@ReasonableMustelid @SecureOwl a boost in sales seems certain based on the Streisand effect.

Marshall Ryan

@SecureOwl
lets ban the thing exposing security issues so we may continue in ignorant bliss until we're made aware of these issues in way wayy worse ways, sounds good, don't you think?

Andrew Feeney

@SecureOwl I think about this a lot. I don’t really know the problem space, but wouldn’t it be somewhat trivial to implement a car remote with a public private key pair or some kind of solution like that? I’ve never understood why it’s hard to make this problem go away.

Successive Approximation Register

@andrewfeeney @SecureOwl most car remotes use rolling codes, making basic relay attacks inoperant.
The vast majority of attacks are with buttonless keys, where the thieve use an amplifier to make the key automatically open a car at a higher distance (eg. when the key is behind the front door of the house)

Krupo

@andrewfeeney @SecureOwl auto manufacturers who profit from increased sales because customers keep flocking back to the same brand despite garbage security....

fops (plushie arc) (Chaotic Stupid)

@starsider @SecureOwl or a cheap sdr or the CC1100 i found in a remote controlled dimmer or a stupidly expensive lab grade sdr or one pin on a raspberry pi or a fuckin usb-vga adapter or hell you can make something yourself at home they cant ban all of Electronics

death
@SecureOwl

If you're vulnerable to 5 year old keyfob attacks out of the box...
Mathias

@SecureOwl I agree to that, can’t repeat this often enough!

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