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Crunchyroll is shutting down the Funimation streaming service and deleting everyone's purchased copies of stuff, while also hiking their own prices.
Stop paying for streaming media. Buy things you actually own. Or get it elsewhere.

76 comments
Maya🌙

@EposVox I already stopped paying for crunchyroll a long time ago already wasn't a fan of what they where doing

addie

I really tried to be a good consumer that responsibly paid for media I wanted now that I'm an adult. Piracy and physical media are the only way.

Chris Ostertag

@EposVox Seriously. This changing of "ownership" from perpetual to conditional undermines broad swaths of commerce. Absolutely unacceptable.

Brett Flippin

@EposVox

Same. Even though I have streaming subs I have continued archiving everything I watch that I enjoy just in case.

I'm glad I never fully shut down my usenet infrastructure.

Mia🏳️‍⚧️🌸(too hot for you)💋

@EposVox just want to say that physical media like 4K blueray require you to own special hardware (often) that have DRM shit in it what will result in potentially losing the ability to play it.

Owning a physical thing does not guarantee you access anymore.

Peetz🯰r

@m @EposVox Also having to buy a specific piece of hardware for this job is silly when I already have plenty of general purpose hardware (NAS, laptop, phone) that can store and playback 4K video perfectly fine.

So yeah, piracy.

Also DRM-free streaming services that allow you to pay for the content and then use yt-dlp on that content, like Nebula.

DigitalStefan

@Peetz0r @m @EposVox sell me a flash drive with a movie on it. Or an SD card. Or a microSD so that maybe I’ll lose it and re-buy.

But don’t include unskippable ads or intros that are not part of the main movie.

Won’t happen of course. One can dream

aliceif

@Peetz0r@hsnl.social @m@lgbtqia.space @EposVox@glitch.lgbt or better yet, has outright download buttons for the raw MP4s - there's a small anime streaming service in Germany called Akiba Pass TV that offers that

Duncan Bourne

@m

Which is one reason I only get DVD's. I had blue ray ability with an old Playstation which wouldn't play (after lying fallow for a month) unless I re-registered. I now use a stand alone DVD player. Still plays films I bought twenty years ago

ClassicCaleb

@m @EposVox Yeah, my bluray player at home "connect me to your network to keep updated and download additional content". - Nah, I don't have internet.

Panegyr 🤡🎪

@m

forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewto

This post on the makemkv forums has all the details on how to get around the firmware limitations of BD encryption

But yes BDs have some bullshit baked into them

bujiraso

@EposVox These models have proven the only means of ownership include such as above AND getting zero DRM high quality lossless direct from the creators like Bandcamp does. You get to pay them pretty directly, too.

Then just make good backups! 3 copies, 2 media, 1 off-site.

bujiraso

@EposVox i mean like lossy crew can show up here but I hope we get that I mean which lossy you use is a choice but lossless is lossless

Григорий Клюшников

addie, I didn't even try. I pirated in my teens, I still pirate now.

João Tiago Rebelo

@EposVox #Alt4You #AltText screen capture of Crunchyroll asnwer to the question "What is going to happen to my digital copies?
We understand that you may have concerns about your digital copies from Funimation. Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation Digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported. However, we are continuously working to enhance our content offerings and provide you with an exceptional anime streaming experience. We appreciate your
understanding and encourage you to explore the extensive anime library available on Crunchyroll".

@EposVox #Alt4You #AltText screen capture of Crunchyroll asnwer to the question "What is going to happen to my digital copies?
We understand that you may have concerns about your digital copies from Funimation. Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation Digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported. However, we are continuously working to enhance our content offerings and provide you with an exceptional anime streaming...

Chris Ferguson

@EposVox WOOOOOOOOOOOW.

This is why I go physical where I can/when I know I don't want to lose access.

Rora Borealis

@ChrisFerguson @EposVox We bought the physical games for our 3DS and Switch partly for that reason.

So you can imagine how pissed we were to learn that those little cartridges aren't permanent storage and degrade without regular use.

Because of the way Nintendo handles some things, I've become a fan of Krikzz's solutions, so I hope they get around to the 3DS eventually. I lost games there.

I love the convenience of being able to stream sometimes, but if it's important to me, I want my own copy.

Stephan

@rora_borealis @ChrisFerguson @EposVox what do you mean by those cartridges degrade over time without use? I know the old GameBoy cartridges contain batteries that would eventually be used up, but the new 3DS cartridges also have such time bombs in them?

Chris Ferguson

@durchaus
@rora_borealis @EposVox

The batteries for older Gameboy games are quite affordable to replace. I just paid my local used game shop last week 5 dollars to have it done, and plenty of others game shops and people do it too! Modern cartridges (GBA forward I believe, but certainly NDS forward) don't need battery replacements at all.

Chris Ferguson

@durchaus
@rora_borealis @EposVox

Additionally, if you physically own the games, you may legally (in the US) back them up and play those backups (again, legally in the US) via official hardware, or emulation, or on FPGA hardware. Hardware and software for older systems that performs these backups is around 50-150 dollars depending on the hardware kit.

Physical really let's you own your stuff, even when it gets old, you can personally preserve and repair it, legally in most places.

@durchaus
@rora_borealis @EposVox

Additionally, if you physically own the games, you may legally (in the US) back them up and play those backups (again, legally in the US) via official hardware, or emulation, or on FPGA hardware. Hardware and software for older systems that performs these backups is around 50-150 dollars depending on the hardware kit.

Laurabunny

@EposVox Streaming is transient for me: if I expect to come back to it later, I want DRM-free local files in a well supported format, not just a stream.

I buy a lot of music in downloadable digital format, and I would happily pay for video from licenced distributors—but no such services exist as far as I know (for anime, movies or Western TV).

Physical makes no sense for me, it costs more and is worse for the environment and costs *me* time to rip to file for my digital library...

RethinkJeff

@EposVox This is part of why I was upset about the CR/Right Stuf merge : /

Mike Sharpe Writer

@EposVox This is making me glad that I got a Optical Disk drive support in my last PC case. Now can I find a internal BluRay PC drive to replace this ageing DVD-RW?

CerebralHawks

@MikeSharpeWriter @EposVox Don't. You can buy external drives for roughly the same price as internals these days. $20 for DVD/CD and $60 for BR/DVD/CD. Just make sure it's USB 3.x and not 2.x, then speed won't be an issue. Then if you get a mini/micro PC (e.g. Mac mini and the like) or a laptop, you can easily connect it — and stow it in a drawer when it's not needed

DELETED

@CerebralHawks @MikeSharpeWriter @EposVox even if your next PC isn’t “micro” it’s somehow becoming ever harder to find cases with a 5.25” drive bay.

Rora Borealis

@EposVox Thereby justifying any future piracy I may need to perform to get the content I've already paid for.

Way to go, Crunchyroll! Encouraging piracy and discouraging spending on digital products in one fell swoop.

Kenny Kravitz

@EposVox At the very least, they should be required to refund those purchases. Google refunded all the games I'd bought when Stadia was shut down.

OS/1337

@kennykravitz @EposVox they should not only be legally forced to refund said pirchases but be liable for all the costs of obtaining #DRM-free, physical copies + the time it took to do so.

And I hope the affected customers can not just #ClassAction them into some shitty waiver but force them to said terms globally!
infosec.space/@OS1337/11189562

#Steam at least has provisions in place to provide people access to their games without Steamworks-based DRM should Valve ever go belly-up as a company, which seems unlikely but is a non-zero chance regardless!

@kennykravitz @EposVox they should not only be legally forced to refund said pirchases but be liable for all the costs of obtaining #DRM-free, physical copies + the time it took to do so.

And I hope the affected customers can not just #ClassAction them into some shitty waiver but force them to said terms globally!
infosec.space/@OS1337/11189562

Latte macchiato :blobcoffee: :ablobcat_longlong:

@EposVox@glitch.lgbt Anime streaming is hilarious. Crunchyroll barely has anything in my region and they're surprised piracy is the number one way to even SEE anything still.

DELETED

@EposVox yep true dat. I read Amazon Kindle terms. You never own the books and they can update or remove at any time. Nothing is forever.

Aubrey De Los Destinos

@EposVox, “we appreciate your understanding.” 🤡

DrYak

@EposVox
> "If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing"

(quote author: Tyler James Hill,
I found it here: pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/pla )

OS/1337

@dryak @EposVox problem is that the courts amd laws sadly don't agree to that position - and that needs to be changed!
infosec.space/@OS1337/11189562

Noble :frostbite:

@EposVox yaarrgh ahoy matey ​:pirate:​ ​:pirate:​ ​:serious_skull:​
for real though this is fucked up bro this feels like it should be illegal
😭

MinDBreaK 🏴‍☠️

@EposVox Remember : if you never own a content you pay for, then downloading isn’t theft 🤷‍♂️

Marmly Owl

@EposVox oh, what a surprise. Fucking Sony again.

Takios

@EposVox If buying isn't owning then pirating is not stealing.

The music industry learned this and the majority of music can be bought and downloaded in a common format without any DRM attached to it. Coincidentally it's been a decade since I last pirated music.

Matej Završnik

@takios Where do you buy from if I may ask? I am considering options beyond Spotify but don't know where to look...

Takios

@matejpp Either Bandcamp (offers a multitude of options for download including FLAC, OGG Vorbis or MP3. Selection is limited/niche though) or Amazon (offers only MP3 but has pretty much everything).

Matej Završnik

@takios I didn't know I can buy mp3 on Amazon! Thank you!

Alex

@EposVox Reads like a pretty big, capital letters, FU to their customers.

Justin

@EposVox paying a subscription for access to a content library like Netflix, Amazon, Hulu etc is fine, trying to "buy" content to own is where the issue lies.

kainisenni

@EposVox Where the purchases DRM-free like on their continental European brand Wakanim or are the buyers really fucked?

OS/1337

@EposVox personally, if one can't get a permanent, unrevokable license if not physical copy for a fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory price than it should be not just legal to pirate it, but the licensees that don't provide it should be forced to pay the pirates for hosting said contents as if they were a big CDN like Akamai!

The sheer fact that said corporations are even allowed to sue people for damages should not exist, because piracy is almost always self-inflicted!

#ImageDescription and #LinkToSource are missing tho...
#plzfix

@EposVox personally, if one can't get a permanent, unrevokable license if not physical copy for a fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory price than it should be not just legal to pirate it, but the licensees that don't provide it should be forced to pay the pirates for hosting said contents as if they were a big CDN like Akamai!

Skrrp :bisexual_flag:

@EposVox it's almost like piracy is the best option.

Arina Artemis :nonbinary_flag:

@EposVox Removing access to digital copies should be illegal.

Jon :fedora: :linux:

@EposVox @Gargron Unfortunately not everything is available on physical media to buy. So…

Gramy na Macu

@EposVox where? I can’t buy a bunch of anime series anywhere 🤷🏻‍♂️

betty :palm: :squeeak:

@EposVox as an additive: even if you didn’t used funimation’s services but you still used crunchyroll, you are also paying 2x more on a yearly basis plan (50 > 100 a year) starting next year.

absolute chaos.

CerebralHawks

@EposVox Still worth paying for anime, just because the margins are so thin and the people making it are doing it for peanuts. But for anime, downloads are your best bet because, even if you watch dubs, subtitles for the songs and signs are so good out there, and can't be used with streaming services. Animated, dynamic subs that really can change the mood of a scene, moods that are lost with static, fixed subs.

CerebralHawks

For example, 君の名は。/your name.. There's a scene where a girl opens her hand to reveal something a boy wrote on it. With the official subs, it puts the whole thing on the bottom of the screen, and does it early. Zero emotional impact. With the fan subs, we see it spell out as she sees it. It's a pivotal moment in the film that is lost with the official subs, and you need this fan sub, even with the dub, to get the full effect of what the director intended, what the Japanese audience gets.

314 Million bisexual foxes

@EposVox@glitch.lgbt we own nothing, but we are unhappy. The only subscription worthwhile is for a good VPN to browse the seven seas

Matej Završnik

@EposVox While checking the facts about this, I found original post from Funimation / Crunchyroll with this text on: help.funimation.com/hc/en-us/a But funny, it redirects off into general help area instead.

:neocat_floof: administratief medewerker elke :babat_flag:

@EposVox
alt text:
"header: 'What is going to happen to my digital copies?'
We understand that you may have concerned about your digital copies from Funimation. Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation Digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported. However, we are continuously working to enhance our content offerings and provide you with an exceptional anime streaming experience. We appreciate your understanding and encourage you to explore the extensive anime library available on Crunchyroll."

@EposVox
alt text:
"header: 'What is going to happen to my digital copies?'
We understand that you may have concerned about your digital copies from Funimation. Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation Digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported. However, we are continuously working to enhance our content offerings and provide you with an exceptional anime streaming experience. We appreciate your understanding and...

Chris M

@EposVox @Gargron I *think* (thankfully) that this is only for digital copies that came with physical dvd/blu-ray purchases as per this screenshot taken from help.funimation.com/hc/en-us/a

Adriano

@EposVox "...we are continuously working to [...] provide you with an exceptional anime streaming experience"

"exceptional" as in "you'll be able to stream, with some exceptions"

Quinn

@EposVox thepiratebay.org + Plex is an excellent remedy to streaming 💩

kæt

@EposVox I reckon if CDs or DVDs were invented now, they'd be made illegal. Thank goodness not.

Wolfram Rösler

@EposVox What a pathetically long-winded way of saying „they are gone, fuck off“.

LiquidParasyte

@EposVox They had awful management but I'll still miss Funimation :drgn_weary_sob:
Why did the worst streaming service have to consume the other and monopolize anime streaming in the west
#FuckCrunchyroll and #FuckSony

Григорий Клюшников

Why do they never even consider giving people refunds when they do this? Then it would be at least somewhat sensible, it would be a minor inconvenience instead of straight up stealing.

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