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Rusty Corgi

@Arsimael @catsalad I've heard this refrain about Firefox a lot and I've never understood it. How is it just a cheap Chrome copy? Because it uses Chrome's Manifest V2 for extensions? That's the only thing I can think of, as the underlying browser stack is entirely different and the UI isn't remotely reminiscent of Chrome. Everything else minus Safari is just a cheap Chrome copy because it's literally just Chromium, and even still Safari is just a lateral move from Chrome because it uses WebKit, which Chrome still essentially uses just with a forked version of its WebCore.

The lack of PWA support is a valid criticism, granted I think Mozilla made the right call to divest resources from it in desktop (as it works on their mobile browser) if it meant taking a lot of work to get running, as it's a fairly niche feature on desktop.

Last... what permanent active backdoor? :blobfoxconfused:​

19 Nov 2023 at 20:15 | Wall-to-wall | Open on cubhub.social
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Arsimael Inshan

@Rusty @catsalad cheap copy, because Mozilla is copying features from Chrome, and fuck it up. Starting with the bonkers versioning, continue with the broken sync stuff, down to the back doors.

And the active backdoor is called Firefox normandy.
Thats a backend which is active by default and grants Mozilla full access to your Browser.

19 Nov 2023 at 21:06 | Open on social.khajiit.de
Rusty Corgi

@Arsimael @catsalad That is the most bonkers reasoning I've ever heard that something is a cheap copy of something else. What specifically about it, because instead of using smaller point releases for minor revisions they step up the whole version number? That's been a trend in software versioning in the last decade by way more software than just Chrome.

Also, doesn't Normandy just give them access for the studies? I mean, that's definitely not great, but at least you can opt-out. Unfortunately that's just corporate run software these days, they run A/B tests on their users without their knowledge. That doesn't make it excusable, especially in software that prides itself on privacy, but that doesn't make it a clone of Chrome.

@Arsimael @catsalad That is the most bonkers reasoning I've ever heard that something is a cheap copy of something else. What specifically about it, because instead of using smaller point releases for minor revisions they step up the whole version number? That's been a trend in software versioning in the last decade by way more software than just Chrome.

19 Nov 2023 at 21:37 | Open on cubhub.social
Arsimael Inshan

@Rusty @catsalad Google does some BS in Chrome, and FF copies it. I'm not the only one seeing this.
reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/

And this post is 11 years old.
Again. If Firefox would be a GOOD alternative, FF wouldn't be down to 3% marketshare.

And no. Normandy is way more powerful. It can change the whole profile. Just read Mozilla own docs about it.

@Rusty @catsalad Google does some BS in Chrome, and FF copies it. I'm not the only one seeing this.
reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/

And this post is 11 years old.
Again. If Firefox would be a GOOD alternative, FF wouldn't be down to 3% marketshare.

19 Nov 2023 at 22:39 | Open on social.khajiit.de
Rusty Corgi

@Arsimael @catsalad Mastodon has a miniscule share of overall microblogging users. If it was a good alternative to Twitter it would have more users. Let me link a litany of angry Reddit threads about how Mastodon is terrible as the basis of my argument, because testimonials are known to be the most reliable source of information.

Firefox's decline couldn't be, y'know, market forces, divestments in Mozilla, monopolistic business practices by Apple/Google/Microsoft, the overall decline in desktop users outside of corporate settings, and the fact that overall tech literacy among the newer generation is going down. No, it's probably because they have A/B testing and made Reddit angry by simplifying the browser interface 11 years ago. Nevermind the dozens of forks that address every issue they have with Firefox without caving to giving Google a monopoly on the web with Blink.

@Arsimael @catsalad Mastodon has a miniscule share of overall microblogging users. If it was a good alternative to Twitter it would have more users. Let me link a litany of angry Reddit threads about how Mastodon is terrible as the basis of my argument, because testimonials are known to be the most reliable source of information.

19 Nov 2023 at 22:54 | Open on cubhub.social
Arsimael Inshan

@Rusty @catsalad Im not going to repeat my whole argumentation about marketshare, and Browser monopoly again. Please read my comments in the other threads here. If you think Mozilla is the better browser, so be it. In my opinion Mozilla does the exact same shit as Google.

20 Nov 2023 at 2:22 | Open on social.khajiit.de
Rusty Corgi

@Arsimael I've read your other comments and they're not particularly illuminating. If you think Chromium should have a de facto monopoly on the web because Firefox isn't perfect, then sure, enjoy your ads.

20 Nov 2023 at 2:37 | Open on cubhub.social
Arsimael Inshan

@Rusty Nice how you try to put words in my mouth which I clearly never said or even intimated.

This isn't Twitter. So stop this disgusting 'Discussion' technique please.

Here is the thread which you are not able or willing to find.

social.khajiit.de/@Arsimael/11

20 Nov 2023 at 9:02 | Open on social.khajiit.de
Rusty Corgi replied to Arsimael

@Arsimael I found that thread too and found your argument equally unconvincing. But sure, you want to stop, so let's stop.

20 Nov 2023 at 9:04 | Open on cubhub.social
Arsimael Inshan replied to Rusty

@Rusty you don't seem to read or understand what I'm writing. If you do, you would know that do not try to 'convince' anyone. I'm expressing my opinion and explain why I have this opinion.

Feel free to challenge it, but don't argue with stuff which was already said a dozen of times already, or try to put words in my mouth which I never said.

If you can't have a mature discussion, please don't try to or go to Twitter.

Thanks for understanding.

20 Nov 2023 at 9:18 | Open on social.khajiit.de
Rusty Corgi replied to Arsimael

@Arsimael I'm sorry but excuse me? How's the weather up there while you smugly look down at all the plebians who don't see the vast intellect of your big Reddit brain and your absolutely pure method of online discussion? What a refined Internet denizen you are.

Sweetie, I don't know how to explain to you that capitalism is bad and software that results from it is also bad. You're so beyond reductive when it comes to this discussion that every point you make is basically "well Firefox is coded in this way that every other piece of corporate software is so it's just trying to be Chrome" and dismissing every advantage Firefox has because it's, y'know, a modern day piece of software written by a company. When I approached your discussion and effectively debunked every point you made, you shifted the goal posts. When I finally threw my hands up and said we could drop it, you huffed and stomped your little paws because, again, that wasn't the response you wanted. Move those goal posts again. Now it's not about Firefox, it's about how my ability to discuss is bad and I should feel bad.

You are incredibly immature, petulant, and honestly, just flat out wrong. You'd fit in well over here in America because you sound exactly like one of those, "Umm, ackshually? Both political parties are bad so I'm gonna vote for Trump. I'm very smart."

Muting you now because I've said me piece and, frankly, you're just annoying. Grow up.

@Arsimael I'm sorry but excuse me? How's the weather up there while you smugly look down at all the plebians who don't see the vast intellect of your big Reddit brain and your absolutely pure method of online discussion? What a refined Internet denizen you are.

Sweetie, I don't know how to explain to you that capitalism is bad and software that results from it is also bad. You're so beyond reductive when it comes to this discussion that every point you make is basically "well Firefox is coded in...

20 Nov 2023 at 9:37 | Open on cubhub.social
Arsimael Inshan replied to Rusty

@Rusty Pretty long text for saying nothing but crying and whining.
I laid out my arguments and you twisted everything to your needs, laid words in my mouth and tried to argue against things which I clearly stated otherwise. You accuse me of moving goal post? You are the one coming with strawman arguments and trying constantly to move me into a corner by fabricating untrue statements.

Good luck buddy. And yes, please mute me. Don't comment on my posts please. As I stated in my Profile: No one likes Snowflakes.

@Rusty Pretty long text for saying nothing but crying and whining.
I laid out my arguments and you twisted everything to your needs, laid words in my mouth and tried to argue against things which I clearly stated otherwise. You accuse me of moving goal post? You are the one coming with strawman arguments and trying constantly to move me into a corner by fabricating untrue statements.

20 Nov 2023 at 11:43 | Open on social.khajiit.de
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