@Gargron I assume you have never tested Vivaldi, then

@Gargron too bad Mozilla doesn’t seem to care about it anymore

Firefox is just the best browser, should not even be a discussion 😁

@Gargron Have you tried Arc yet? I heard it finally released on Windows a few days ago 😅

@Gargron Like Google Maps :-/ Most of the times it works, sometimes it does not load tiles in Firefox. Then I use OSM instead.

@Gargron I swapped most of my life over earlier this year and haven't looked back.

The one thing I really wish they would prioritize is better support for PWAs. Chrome and even Safari have it beat there.

@Gargron I wish more people would be that comfortable to say no to Chrome-only websites.

@Gargron Same. The browser I'm building is based on WebKit, but I would have chosen Gecko in a heartbeat if there was a library available.

@Gargron You forgot: Mozilla hasn't had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for deceiving people and logging their private mode browsing.

@Gargron I'd love to switch to Firefox but there are some extensions on Chrome that I absolutely need to use for work that aren't developed for Firefox.

@Gargron On Manjaro Linux Firefox sometimes just stops playing audio. I have not been able to figure out why. I switched to Waterfox and then Librewolf, but sometimes have the same problem. I've been using Brave, which always seems to work. It's Chromium based I know.

@Gargron
I recently made the switch from Chrome to Firefox. The browser itself has been flawless.
The only downgrade from my 100% Google stack has been using Firefox as password manager on my Android phone. It doesn't do autofills for address and credit cards as well. And it definitely has problems getting usernames and passwords into standalone apps.

@Gargron word

@Gargron Chrome offers that every website works in Chrome 😅

@Gargron Personally, friends don’t let friends use Chrome.

Firefox, Safari, Edge are all viable alternatives on any OS.

@Gargron I've been telling my friends the same thing for a while now!

@Gargron couldn't agree more!

@Gargron I made a very serious effort to switch a few weeks ago and had to go back to Chrome. The performance hit was just too much. Same workstation, same sites, etc. I'm now considering Vivaldy as an alternative.
The feature set was comparable on Firefox but I could not live with the performance hit.

@Gargron I tried to switch. Serious keyboard queue handling issues are holding me back moving as because of #a11y reasons I need excellent keyboard support.

Hopefully @stevetex gets through their treatments and recovers well (fingers crossed, not just out of experience). After that (health first!) I hope to assist their team in addressing those issues.

@Gargron The only thing I miss compared to chromium browsers is native vertical tabs.

@Gargron I've gone back and forth over the years - when one starts acting up I switch. I've been on chrome a couple of years, so I should probably see if Firefox has improved since then.

@Gargron I use different browsers for different jobs, but FF desktop and especially mobile (ublock w/o root FTW!) are my primary drivers.

@Gargron Probably been a good 6 years since I’ve even bothered to check if a website works on Firefox. I have far more important things to do than worry about 3% of the world

@Gargron yas, speak fatter Eugen 😄

@Gargron Totally agree!

Firefox has the fastest CSS engine out there!

And have you ever tried to find a website from your history by entering part of characters from the URL path in Chromium browsers!? Chrome and Edge just don't find the address in the history. Their address bar search is absolutely ridiculous!

Whereas Firefox can even find the last query parameter! :firefox:

@Gargron Let me first close the Chrome tab that has sucked up 5GB of memory for no rational reason, and I can then respond.

@Gargron I love Firefox, but Mozilla still needs to implement Web Serial...

@Gargron Unfortunately the ones that are the most broken on Firefox are the ones are most likely required to use for adulting in my experience.

@Gargron I'm using Firefox even on my phone, but I like the better profile support in Chrome. I have a work and a personal profile and it does work in Firefox, but it's pretty rough.

@Gargron
I only use Firefox and have for a long time but some web sites don't work with it because they insist on tracking you. Then I have to switch to Safari. I have noticed recently that many sites don't let you opt out of cookies but insist that you approve all their cookies if you want to see the site. I thought that was illegal in the US?

@Gargron It's also the best on mobile because it's the only mobile browser with UBO.

@Gargron PWAs don't work on Firefox.

@Gargron

Same opinion here. Have been using it since the beginning and Netscape and Mosaic before that…

@Gargron the speed differences are marginal and nobody notice it. Firefox has had some drawbacks in the past but since a few major versions its getting better an better. The addons are superior and its rock solid stable. Firefox ist my daily tool on WIN/MAC/Linux and FreeBSD.

@Gargron I'm actually heavily inclined in using @mozilla 's Firefox due to ideology, since Firefox's engine is the only real competition to Google's Chrome engine.

However, as @protonmail has shown in their blog post, @brave is the best in regard of privacy and fingerprint blocking. Esp. the ad blocking capabilities are impressing.

Furthermore, I'm pleased by the Brave search engine's development, esp. because it offers a paid subscription model for avoiding advertisement in contrast to DDG.

@Gargron +1

@Gargron I honestly prefer Brave, but I use them all, really. I hate Edge the most.

@Gargron Работает медленней, ресурсов кушает больше, сама Mozilla вряд ли лучше Google (https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/mozilla). Ungoogled-chromium one love!

@Gargron I see the trend of making websites „for Chrome“ anyway very negative. It’s the „made for IE“ in a new guise. Websites should be browser agnostic. (At least for modern ones). Everything else defies the logic of the internet

@Gargron Not completely agreeing here from social.vivaldi.net ;-)

@Gargron I’ve converted to Safari with tab groups which I can testify is rather great as well.

@Gargron My man

@Gargron and librewolf is a very good fork of Firefox with security and privacy optimized

@Gargron I've been using Mozilla since the M2 milestone. 🙃

@Gargron just went back to firefox at the moment cause chrome just eats ram like crazy... XD and some work website doesnt work on chrome or is clunky lol.

@Gargron Firefox is great, my favorite too. But on android I have some problems with it, so I use chrome

@Gargron Sounds like you need Nextcloud to replace Google Workspace 😀

@Gargron I agreed. #Firefox is the best browser for desktops and in many cases for mobile devices as well.

@Gargron Firefox is the best browser, but its 2nd adversary is Mozilla itself.

@Gargron Firefox is mostly sponsored by Google. So to me this is also a Google product.

@Gargron I switched to Firefox from Edge earlier this year. I really like having proper proxying API, containers, being able to use adblocker and customise things. Oh, and lack of Microsoft pushing useless things on me is nice too, of course. The only issues I have with Firefox is it being slow, memory hungry and pretty buggy at times (e.g., https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871760). Do I wish Mozilla put more efforts into it, but it seems they're switching their focus to AI now, big shame.

@Gargron What does Firefox have to offer over Chrome?

@Gargron Actually Firefox does not allow for PWA (which Mastodon implements), and that is still genuinely a plus on chrome/chromium's side.

@Gargron I've always used Safari. I've tried Firefox, Chrome, and others, but Safari works and has the best bookmark editor of all of them. Simple and easy. Rest suck at it.

@Gargron
Changed my internet provider because they dropped Firefox to use Chrome.

@Gargron I second that. I don't know about the best but I use #Firefox daily and I like the features it has a lot(privacy, floating video player, etc). I also donate periodically for #Firefox and #thunderbird . So if you use them and like them consider supporting the projects financially as well.

@Gargron Firefox has had its ups and downs but right now, for me at last, it seems stable and meets my needs. I’ve tightened up security in Firefox quite a bit so some sites will break especially if they use embeds from Meta, YouTube or GoogleAds. For what I can’t do in Firefox I will use Vivaldi.

@Gargron I've been hearing people complain about sites that don't work with Firefox, but I've yet to encounter one. I'm of the same mind as you though; if a site doesn't work with Firefox I won't be using that site.

@Gargron I use #Mozilla #Firefox both on PC and smartphone, first of all, because it is #FLOSS.

Though that would be enough reason – it is a very good #browser, by the way...

@Gargron I miss having a selection of different browsers to use.
It all went horribly wrong when sites went from being simple publications based on a common (simple) abstract markup standard to complex multimedia extravaganzas relying on edge case features and behaviours with complex layers of CSS/markup/DOM manipulation, svg and JS.

@Gargron my main site is firefox-first website :)
better - i made it :D
worse - not homehosted/selfhosted :(

@Gargron I agree. Firefox is a modern and user-friendly browser, also superior in privacy and available add-ons. If a website doesn't work in Firefox, it is poorly designed.

@Gargron I agree, but for me, it's not just on desktop. Firefox on mobile (Android, in my case) is the ONLY browser I can use on mobile.

Sync works great, sending tabs to other devices works perfectly, the built-in password manager autofills apps well (although it could be improved), and it has extension support. Extensions is crucial because I can install UBO and block ads.

Booting up Chrome on Android without an adblocking DNS is a disgusting experience. I HATE ads being shoved in my face.

@Gargron I prefer #Librewolf over #Firefox myself. It requires the least amount of tinkering before I can start using it. It's very lightweight and fast with no extra no needed features but has ublock origin as standard. Should Librewolf not exist I would be using Firefox for sure though.

@Gargron It doesn't matter how good it is, since as little as 6 years ago they automatically installed an adware extension for Mr. Robot, I don't trust them and I never will.

Mozilla is a company like any other. They have done bad things in the past, like most companies.

@Gargron I just wish Mozilla didn't omit support for PWAs.

@Gargron #Browers

IDK about that.

I haven't tried Firefox since it became so slow & kldugy that I gave up on it over 15 years ago but I've got DuckDuckGo, Brave, Chrome, Edge & Tor on my laptop and, while I was learning towards Brave, DuckDuckGo has become my current fave.

To each their own . . . 🤷‍♂️

@Gargron I've used it since it was Netscape Navigator. I do primarily use Safari now simply because the content blockers are too good but it's a shame it's gone off the deep end.

I think it's a combination of we let web technologies get out of hand making it near impossible for anyone other than a major corporation to develop a successful browser and most people rely on popular brands rather than quality. Mozilla leadership hasn't help in the past either.

I hope they turn their luck around.

@Gargron
I used Firefox for a long time but then it got slower and slower. Chrome was quick and fast, but then it had that Yahoo search hikack and nothing fixed it; So now I'm using edge.

@Gargron What is your perspective on Firefox security?

This article from 2022 compares Chromium based browsers with Firefox.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html

@Gargron Also, if you're on Linux you should be using Firefox, full stop.

@Gargron unfathomably based

@Gargron my site does work with Firefox, it's just that it's best viewed with Mosaic

@Gargron what about Brave?

@Gargron As Firefox User. I have to say: WebRTC implementation in Chrome is better

@Gargron

What about DuckDuckGo or Brave?

@Gargron has to be the most based person on the entire fucking Internet.

@Gargron @Vivaldi and Betterbird are a good combo imho

@Gargron I want to love #Firefox , I really do, but it never _quite_ works. It completely does not work in Windows tablet mode which makes it a hard pass for me.

@Gargron agree! Both on desktop (Linux) and mobile (Android), Firefox is awesome!

@Gargron
The way the world is going, it feels like we're going to end up with websites sporting "Works best in Internet Explorer/Netscape" badges again.

@Gargron what makes Firefox so much better than other mainstream browsers in your opinion? When I use Firefox, I don’t see a major difference compared to other browsers to be honest. It’s pretty much the same concept with just a different UX/UI on top.

The only browser that really changed how I browse the Internet is Arc. All others browsers still feels like Netscape Navigator 😉

@Gargron I've just found Firefox on Android is not supporting Progressive Web App acting as share targets, which is a pity. It's the first time after a long time I open chrome to do something on a smartphone 😕

@Gargron Mac person with an Android agrees. Baskets. Eggs. Interop. WWW

@Gargron

Been ages since I ran across a site that required a certain browser. And even then it was some version of that crappy Explorer.

Decent web developers these days design sites that work on most anything. Or they should.

@Gargron and #Librewolf is by far better than #Firefox ! ;)

@Gargron totally agree for typical usage, FF is superb. But it does lack a few niceties still for devs such as Origin Trials and a huge selection of developer tools and extensions.

@Gargron the only thing stopping me from moving from Brave to Firefox is the tab groups. I use that feature a lot.

@Gargron I love Firefox, but Vivaldi's native tab superpowers have won me over.

@Gargron I work with websites and I have Firefox, Chrome, Brave, Opera and Edge on my PC, knowing that all of the latter are based on the free Chromium which I also use. If a website doesn't work in Firefox, it may work with the Chromium based browsers and vice versa. But I always make sure that my websites work on all browsers. :blobcatcoffee: