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Jeremiah Lee

I want Firefox to succeed more than ever and I support Mozilla finding better revenue sources than search engine default sales, but I do not support a $7M salary for its CEO.

I canceled my recurring donation to Mozilla because I need that money more than Mozilla’s CEO needs that money.

If there is a direct funding option of developers working on Firefox, I will happily reallocate that money. Send me links.

Source: Form 990 stateof.mozilla.org/

Edit: Replaced commentary with direct source
29 Dec 2023 at 9:16 | Open on alpaca.gold
35 comments
mav :happy_blob:

@Jeremiah
What, and I cannot stress this enough, *the fuck*.

I genuinely had no idea that Mozilla was that far off the rails

29 Dec 2023 at 9:38 | Open on hackers.town
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺

@mav @Jeremiah

I read the entire post. The situation of #Mozilla appears less grim to me than the post headline suggests. Mozilla tries to diversify their income. That's positive. The CEO also received a high salary in the year before.

29 Dec 2023 at 10:09 | Open on chaos.social
Jeremiah Lee

@rriemann @mav I agree the entire post is worth reading and the situation is not dire.

As I said earlier, I support the revenue diversification. I wish Mozilla would develop even more paid hosted open source services à la Proton and iCloud for its sustainability.

My point was that I don’t believe Mozilla’s leadership is doing a job worthy of that level of compensation and I want my donation to support Firefox’s development and that’s not happening.

29 Dec 2023 at 10:23 | Open on alpaca.gold
mav :happy_blob:

@Jeremiah
Am I the only one who read that post and saw "Mozilla wants to get rid of Firefox?" Because that was in there. They want their principal business to be AI which is disastrous.

"Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox. The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services."

If that is an accurate statement, then Mozilla, who currently drive the only alternative to the chrome ecosystem, need a complete leadership shift.

@rriemann

@Jeremiah
Am I the only one who read that post and saw "Mozilla wants to get rid of Firefox?" Because that was in there. They want their principal business to be AI which is disastrous.

"Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox. The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services."

29 Dec 2023 at 10:53 | Open on hackers.town
richh

@rriemann @mav @Jeremiah Many would suggest last year’s salary was excessive. Noone is worth $7m/yr.
Obvs Mozilla need to diversify. FF/Safari are dead once Chrome lands on iOS. It’ll be like 2005 again with proprietary Google hooks tying their services into Chrome. Reading the roadmap tho, it’s unclear what the route-to-revenue is from their AI projects. With $1Bn incl. $500m cash, they could easily support Rust dev and hire a couple of MDN maintainers.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:53 | Open on mastodon.cloud
Luka Rubinjoni

@richh @rriemann @mav @Jeremiah I'm worth 7m/y, I just haven't found the right megacorp to bankroll me.

29 Dec 2023 at 12:31 | Open on mastodon.social
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@Jeremiah

If teachers, nurses, garbage collectors, or soldiers don't make this kind of money, nobody on this planet does work that is worth that much money. Especially not CEOs.

29 Dec 2023 at 9:50 | Open on mastodon.world
Adlangx

@Jeremiah Holy shit! Yeah, gonna be reexamining some giving myself.

29 Dec 2023 at 9:54 | Open on mastodon.social
Thestaroftheworlds

@Jeremiah depressing, CEOs are over rated

29 Dec 2023 at 10:12 | Open on meow.social
DELETED

@Jeremiah

Ok, but please don't give that alt-right adjacent weirdo and intentional fact distorter any clicks

29 Dec 2023 at 10:29 | Open on c.im
Mubelotix

@Jeremiah Mozilla fired the guys I would have donated to

29 Dec 2023 at 10:34 | Open on socialcoderz.com
bmaxv

@Jeremiah Mozilla is a company who happens to play the "good for the people" card more and more effectively than MS Apple or Google. That's the only difference.

Their pocket service scans what you read for their recommendation algorithm, just like Google does for ads, the debacle with Mr robot has shown they don't *really* care about integrity when it comes to software development and as you can see their behavior when it comes to wages or CEOs is just what it is.

29 Dec 2023 at 10:38 | Open on noc.social
Eugen Rochko

@Jeremiah I don’t think the CEO is paid through the same legal entity that receives the donations, but I could be wrong. There are two Mozilla entities though, a non-profit and a for-profit.

29 Dec 2023 at 10:44 | Open on mastodon.social
Tagomago

@Gargron @Jeremiah Yes, from what I know, the Mozilla Foundation (non-profit, funded by donations) owns the Mozilla Corporation (the taxable one that receives money from Google, and manages the development of Firefox). So basically the CEO is paid with Google money (or Yahoo money in the past), but so is Firefox.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:02 | Open on mastodon.social
John Doe
Virtue signal 💉💉💉🇺🇸 🇺🇦

@Gargron @Jeremiah The for-profit corp is wholly controlled by the non-profit one.

Like the OP, I don't really agree with the CEO's salary (and would not donate for that reason), but Mozilla did increase their revenue considerably over that period. IIRC she has made arguments about her pay scale vs other IT executives that sounded plausible (the $6 mil is not her pay scale BTW; most of that was bonuses tied to the new revenue).

Caution: Brendan Eich has been grinding this axe loudly for years

29 Dec 2023 at 13:51 | Open on mastodon.social
data0

@Jeremiah 🤫 we like to ignore all of that around here. Don't destroy the good vs evil fairy tale! ;-)

Mozilla must succeed, not only for Firefox. But it won't by depending on Google and greedy CEOs taking advantage of it.

We really need more diversity. Maybe everyone stop those knee-jerk reactions against "crypto" or getting tied up over open source vs closed source etc?

29 Dec 2023 at 10:51 | Open on indieweb.social
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@Jeremiah “Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox. The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services.” Under this management firefox is doomed

29 Dec 2023 at 10:57 | Open on c.im
Matias

@Jeremiah@alpaca.gold I would assume that you donated to Mozilla Foundation and not Mozilla corp? If so, their CEO doesn't get that money.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can donate to the development of Firefox, since that falls under Mozilla Corp. Mozilla Fiundation have their own non-profit projects: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/

29 Dec 2023 at 11:00 | Open on nattomaki.social
Maxi 10x 💉

@Jeremiah Please don’t link to #Lunduke. He is a totally nuts, right-wing libertarian.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:02 | Open on chaos.social
Miron

@Jeremiah I get it, its not perfect over there, even though the information needs to be fact checked a bit.

I still think the consequences of NOT supporting the open web are more dire.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:05 | Open on fosstodon.org
Koos Pol

@Jeremiah This story is equally bad for Thunderbird. There is such a misalignment in perception. Unbearable marketing voodoo. I've cancelled my recurring Thunderbird donation.

[1] lunduke.locals.com/post/398366

29 Dec 2023 at 11:27 | Open on mastodon.nl
The Turtle

@Jeremiah firefox market share in my house is 100%. Microsoft, Apple and Google combine for zero installations.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:42 | Open on mastodon.sdf.org
DELETED

@Jeremiah and she wrote me to ask for à donation !!!

29 Dec 2023 at 11:45 | Open on diaspodon.fr
kapsiR

@Jeremiah Maybe @s_hentzschel can shed some light into the donation process here?

29 Dec 2023 at 11:50 | Open on dotnet.social
Stephan

@Jeremiah What does "paid by a related for-profit" actually mean? This sounds to me as if his salary isn't paid from the donations.

29 Dec 2023 at 11:53 | Open on mastodon.social
jon ⚝
Klaus Zimmermann :unverified:

@Jeremiah for comparison, the *entire* fundraising drive of the #FSF is 375,000 USD.

my.fsf.org/donate

That single Mozilla CEO cops a whopping *18 times* more than the goal funding of the entire FSF for 2024!
29 Dec 2023 at 12:09 | Open on fosstodon.org
Peter Motte

@kzimmermann @Jeremiah I use M FF to make sure the others don't get a monopoly. I started using FF years ago because of problems with MS IE. With FF I had less problems. In those days MS had over 90% of the browser market. Using FF by me has nothing to do with some kind of ethical question, it has to do with defending against monopolists. If FF would get a monopoly, I would get out of it.

29 Dec 2023 at 12:41 | Open on social.linux.pizza
nota 🦈✨

@Jeremiah be aware that lunduke is a far right figure and manipulative pos and you should not believe anything he has ever said, even if it's factual.
And he mostly hates mozilla for completely asinine culture war grudges, not because he actually cares about firefox. He's been on this train for a while.

29 Dec 2023 at 12:40 | Open on chaos.social
Peter Motte

@Jeremiah "open source" is only what it says: "open source". You don't have to look for other ethical issues or promises. From Red Hat: The term open source refers to something people can modify and share because its design is publicly accessible.
So, it does not mean that people making open source software can't sell it, or use it in other ways to make a profit.
Basically it only means you can fiddle with it. Which in most cases is not recommended, because software nowadays is very complex.

29 Dec 2023 at 12:44 | Open on social.linux.pizza
zetabeta

@Jeremiah
core browser engines have diminished into, chromium based and mozilla based. so if mozilla fails, chromium has near monopoly.
(there is webkit engine).

29 Dec 2023 at 12:46 | Open on mastodon.social
rugk

@Jeremiah
Just FYI donation go to Mozilla Foundation.

The CEO is from Mozilla Cooperation.

They have some contacts to share money, but AFAIK only from cooperation to foundation (aka foundation owns the Firefox or Mozilla trademark or something).

29 Dec 2023 at 19:38 | Open on chaos.social
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