Gregory's ServerPeople who say they donβt like nazis, but turn around and take money from nazis, and give money to nazis, do in fact like nazis.
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 Just a quick note to anyone thinking of quibbling about the difference between a nazi and someone who merely tolerates nazi content: when you're on their kill list, that difference disappears pretty quick. This is why I'm talking about people profiting from nazi shit today: https://substack.com/@hamish/note/c-45811343  Substack has a policy against porn, which is also tricky to define, and yet somehow they're able to limit content when it comes to adult material, but nazi shit is fine. They're perfectly happy to limit some content but not other content, so it's telling what they think is part of free speech and what isn't. The most frustrating part is, it's so easy to say "take that shit somewhere else" when you run a bar or a website or any other group. That's literally your job when you create a space like that. I've seen people do it. I've done it. It's so fucking easy. You just go, "get out." And then they do. They have to. It's your place! Anyone who says it's not easy is lying, and it's usually because they don't want it taken someplace else. They like it right where it is.  @fraying What's frustrating to me is that Substack at launch was courting / paying assholes to use their platform. Most people only even heard of them because they were suddenly home to Andy Ngo, and other assholes. Yet people still signed up to publish there.  @fraying Exactly! The right to free association includes the right to with whom to associate. Its easy. Iβm not lying. I ran a BBS in the 1990s and have been blogging (with comments enabled) since 2003. I donβt take shit. I toss offensive people out. I delete their crap, I ban them, I block them. Anything I have to do to get rid of them. Itβs my show and my rules. Easy peasy. https://xkcd.com/1357/  @fraying@xoxo.zone Nazi stuff is may be harder to detect than porn, but they should still be able to get rid of it if they were so inclined. Not 100% of it, all of the time, but they could do it. It might even constitute a proper use for LLMs alongside human moderation.   @fraying @anildash Thatβs a boat load of horsehit right there. While theyβre deep in their ethical well looking for Big Thoughts they might want to inspect the βa tolerant society can not tolerate intoleranceβ angle. Nazis are intolerance personified. They can not be tolerated. Theyβre just poison.  @fraying ugh gross, just read it. I hate that I know people who are still writing on Substack :( @fraying Oy the memo and the comments are basically what I expected for someone saying Nazis are OK to spend money here. @fraying Wouldn't it be great if one of these techbros consulted with someone who studies this exact topic? Is refusing to give someone a platform the same as censoring them? Does giving someone a platform somehow make their ideas less popular? π€ Who could ever know? @davidm itβs really high school philosophy level βparadox of toleranceβ shit. @fraying βsubjecting ideas to open discourse is the best way to strip bad ideas of their powerβ @fraying it was clear where this was going with the way they minimize the problem by talking about βfringe voicesβ. @t_i_m ha. Yeah. As if itβs a fringe position to not like having nazis in your community. I thought we had a whole war about that. @fraying I think the so-called fringe voices are the nazis. So fringe, a whole party of a two-party system of one of the most powerful countries is running on it! If the writers I support on Substack bail, then so will I. It's a devil's bargain, but I do care about the writers I subscribe to. @fraying I like to use the bad apple analogy. Not the one where someone points out a bad apple and forgets the rest. The whole thing. The bunch is spoiled. @fraying this is why I cancelled all my Substack subscriptions last year. Do I want to support journalists and marginalized voices, of course. Do I want to support a platform that rakes in money from Nazis, Nazi supporters, and continues to wave their hands with something stupid about censoring Nazi views, absolutely not. If your argument is that the Nazis will go make money somewhere else unless they have your platform, you're a Nazi. #substack   @fraying βI wish everyone would stop doing the thing I both profit from and financially support!β @fraying Can we please remind everyone using Brave Browser, that the CEO and Founder of Brave Browser, does not believe in womens rights, trans rights, and other basic rights of humans. See the connection.  True, but the royalty free programming language, javascript, is not directly making him any money, while Brave Browser most certainly is. @Linux_Is_Best @fraying Yeah, but I occasionally have to program in JavaScript and let me tell you, that guy is going to suffer in the afterlife. @Linux_Is_Best @fraying But seriously, I am always cautious when dealing with any libertarian. Many of them seem to have a "I've got my liberty and you've got yours to get" sort of attitude.  @fraying TBT to that shocking moment when we saw Nazis being deplatformed: @Defiance donβt make me tap the sign: https://xoxo.zone/@fraying/109705562260628492  @fraying and TERFs. Although the link between ear right and TERFs is documented. Graham Lineham has had a substack for years. A man who literally whipped up a hate email mob against a Trans kid charity. @fraying I found out what Substack is this morning. Well, this was a quick round trip ππ   |
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At a minimum you can say that their like of money outweighs any of their stated dislike of Nazis.