Gregory's ServerThis is why I'm talking about people profiting from nazi shit today: https://substack.com/@hamish/note/c-45811343
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 Substack has a policy against porn, which is also tricky to define, and yet somehow they're able to limit content when it comes to adult material, but nazi shit is fine. They're perfectly happy to limit some content but not other content, so it's telling what they think is part of free speech and what isn't. The most frustrating part is, it's so easy to say "take that shit somewhere else" when you run a bar or a website or any other group. That's literally your job when you create a space like that. I've seen people do it. I've done it. It's so fucking easy. You just go, "get out." And then they do. They have to. It's your place! Anyone who says it's not easy is lying, and it's usually because they don't want it taken someplace else. They like it right where it is.  @fraying What's frustrating to me is that Substack at launch was courting / paying assholes to use their platform. Most people only even heard of them because they were suddenly home to Andy Ngo, and other assholes. Yet people still signed up to publish there.  @fraying Exactly! The right to free association includes the right to with whom to associate. Its easy. Iโm not lying. I ran a BBS in the 1990s and have been blogging (with comments enabled) since 2003. I donโt take shit. I toss offensive people out. I delete their crap, I ban them, I block them. Anything I have to do to get rid of them. Itโs my show and my rules. Easy peasy. https://xkcd.com/1357/  @fraying@xoxo.zone Nazi stuff is may be harder to detect than porn, but they should still be able to get rid of it if they were so inclined. Not 100% of it, all of the time, but they could do it. It might even constitute a proper use for LLMs alongside human moderation.   @fraying @anildash Thatโs a boat load of horsehit right there. While theyโre deep in their ethical well looking for Big Thoughts they might want to inspect the โa tolerant society can not tolerate intoleranceโ angle. Nazis are intolerance personified. They can not be tolerated. Theyโre just poison.  @mattwilcox @fraying @anildash I am concerned by the number of people who don't understand the tolerance paradox. @kudra @mattwilcox @anildash Right? Are they not teaching it in high school anymore or were these guys just bad students? @fraying @mattwilcox @anildash they spend too much time in toxic social media that platforms Nazis, so they think the world is demonstrating that this is cool and normal, and their teachers suffer from woke mind virus ๐  @fraying ugh gross, just read it. I hate that I know people who are still writing on Substack :( @fraying Oy the memo and the comments are basically what I expected for someone saying Nazis are OK to spend money here. @fraying Wouldn't it be great if one of these techbros consulted with someone who studies this exact topic? Is refusing to give someone a platform the same as censoring them? Does giving someone a platform somehow make their ideas less popular? ๐ค Who could ever know? @davidm itโs really high school philosophy level โparadox of toleranceโ shit. @fraying โsubjecting ideas to open discourse is the best way to strip bad ideas of their powerโ @fraying it was clear where this was going with the way they minimize the problem by talking about โfringe voicesโ. @t_i_m ha. Yeah. As if itโs a fringe position to not like having nazis in your community. I thought we had a whole war about that. @fraying I think the so-called fringe voices are the nazis. So fringe, a whole party of a two-party system of one of the most powerful countries is running on it! |
@fraying trying to say theyโre doing us a favour by helping Nazis