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Ilya Zverev

On one hand, yes, this year it would make sense to redirect your wikipedia donation to OpenStreetMap: supporting.openstreetmap.org/d

But. 19 years in, it feels crazy to have this project everyone uses run on a budget of three facebook developers. Like, are we sure this is the way we want to have it? "At least we're not wikipedia?" rebuttal still stands?

A screenshot of a quote tweet.

@Courtney Cook: In case you wanted a reason to give your $$ to the other, just as, if not more important, peer-produced project in the world, @openstreetmap, here is the comparison to Wikipedia: it's the largest #opensource, #opendata #geospatial project in the world, generates the data that will fuel solutions for many, if not most, of our most pressing global challenges, is run by a truly diverse community of volunteers, and has an annual operating budget of less than 700k euro."

@Yasen: holy fuck is Wikipedia one massive grift this are the salaries of executives at Wikimedia in 2021. Mind you, it's about doubled since, but they don't publish breakdowns...
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Simon Poole

@zverik 1.5 facebook developers, not three.

But the thing is, even getting the funds equivalent to those 1.5 devs has been an uphill fight. So it isn't really a question of "the way we want it" more one of what is realistic.

Comparing with Wikipedia is fair game when we are discussing efficient usage of funds, but not when we are talking about market position and the leverage it provides.

Ilya Zverev

@simon Yes, it's a matter of priorities. OSMF doesn't treat money as a daily neccessity apart from irregular donation drives. E.g. it doesn't build a picture of OSM as a vital service in big institutions. We all know it's important, but for higher-ups, it just works. It doesn't market itself with any corporations and doesn't ask for help. When you don't ask, people think it's all fine.

Simon Poole

@zverik the problem is literally everybody knows that you can just use google if the worst comes to the worst (or Apple, Here, Tomtom not to mention a multitude of national and local entities that are competing in the same space) instead of OSM. Our USPs are fairly thin.

Ilya Zverev

@simon "You" as a person, not as a company big enough to get millions in Google bills. That's the point: we market to individuals while we're most important to organizations and governments.

Simon Poole

@zverik Any company spending millions on google is going to be spending millions if OSM is involved or not.

We've always been marketing it as if it is a free lunch, but it isn't -particularly not for large users.

Ilya Zverev

@simon You know it's not about spending money — it's about control. Money is the same, level of control and vendor lock-in is very different.

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