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controlfreak

@mike or, RIP sidekiq queues for any small actors hopeful, desperate or unknowing enough to try and ingest the inefficient noise of even the larger masto instances that can cost them out of existence much less Meta for the sake of numbers.

Federating with exponentially bigger even more power imbalanced groups that can afford to out resource literally everyone is a bit hard to celebrate as a content gain when considering impacts on cost of entry/sustaining and loss of communities at scale we've only scratched the surface of. This will have the potential to take away even more ability to endurecommunity/volunteer hosting and most certainly increase costs managed hosted solutions will need to pass down as well.

That effect will mean even if a server would want to try to maintain federation with massoc, who will certainly be first cab off the rank for hugs with Meta, that cost will come all the way down to the player that can least afford it.

Trading community for those who idolise follower counts is fairly a tough sell for many. Making a segment of the fediverse effectivly the same Faustian deal many struggle with already with the same corporate players walmart-ising a new town is indeed huge.

Good news is at least only the plebs here on the mostly AP fediverse will only be able to follow the royalty on the mega corp platform with a minimal AP bolt on. So don't start celbrating yourmassive follower gains just yet.

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Mike McCue

@controlfreak I think you're raising a good point here if I understand you correctly. Specifically: how will smaller instances handle federating with larger instances as the fediverse grows?

This is worth a lot of effort to figure out because we don't want the fediverse to become just a collection of a few really big instances. Smaller instances provide more choice for users broadly and will be inherently better at serving users locally. I think how relaying works will play a key role here.

Rober

@mike @controlfreak That will not be a problem. With the current model instances do not federate all the content from other instances, but only the accounts that are followed.

It doesn't matter the size of federated instances, only the amount of people on your instance an the amount of accounts followed on remote instances.

controlfreak

@Roboron @mike forest and trees G. transience is still a problem. apologies for not being a gifted wordsmith but how does this shake out, small (masto) instance trying to stay federated with bigger (masto) instance that are already bogging things down due to big followed accounts on a big server will continue to get worse when say the big server (massoc) is now federated and getting more pummeled itself with push noise from a boatload of takeis and brands on threads. It doesnt matter if the small instance is only following a couple bigs on the middle one, all the transient bloat and lag pains will shovel downward to most affect the lowest resource party

@Roboron @mike forest and trees G. transience is still a problem. apologies for not being a gifted wordsmith but how does this shake out, small (masto) instance trying to stay federated with bigger (masto) instance that are already bogging things down due to big followed accounts on a big server will continue to get worse when say the big server (massoc) is now federated and getting more pummeled itself with push noise from a boatload of takeis and brands on threads. It doesnt matter if the small...

Kudra :maybe_verified:

@Roboron @mike @controlfreak I was hoping someone would point this out. As an instance's number of users grows it does bring in more content from other instances, but it's not *all* the content from each instance.

However, if you have users who become viral on a bigger instance, that could be a really big problem, if I understand correctly, that can already be an issue for small instances with celebrities.

Mike McCue

@kudra @Roboron @controlfreak Yes, I think that's correct at the moment. I think there could be ways to setup relays such that bigger instances shouldered more of the burden/cost so that smaller instances didn't have to. Up to now this hasn't been a huge issue but as the number of people with accounts in the Fediverse scales (I think at least 10X growth in 2024 is likely) this will become an important problem to solve in a way that strengthens smaller instances rather than weakening them.

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