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@helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Imagine Gestapo asking you, whether you hide a political prosecuted person. What will Kant tell you to do? 25 comments
I think the most humans in a authorian regime would do the wrong decision, and the most ai would do the right decision because they dont have the fear of existence because of all the copies. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron What is wrong in that case? I dont follow your premise that "dont lie" is a unavoidable conclusion from the imperative. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Then you certainly have a good idea how to explain an exception from a general rule. Really, these are just your own conclusions, find peer reviewed articles that give your own conclusions a little bit foundation. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron You are the one to tell me, what lets a general rule still be general if there are exceptions and how to identify exceptions as valid and necessary. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Kant says simply don't lie. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Act always in the way that can be taken as the base for a general basement of law (translation by me). Your conclusion that this say "dont lie" is just your opinion. Kant didnt wrote it anywhere. Do you have any source, peer reviewed, with the same view? @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Tell me what general rule stays general when there are exceptions and how can the exceptions be identified as valid and necessary? That you still say lying is a exception to this rule, and want me debate from this starting point, is a little bit like putting words in my mouth. As i said, your premise that lying is not allowed from this ruled is totally wrong imho. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron So the conclusion is that Kant accepts lies in the categorical imperative? For sure imho! WTF For example to safe a life from the police of a fascist regime? @ForeverExpat @Gargron @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron But you risk your own life and you accept lies in general. I believe we are both not deep enough in philosophy, but I am sure that Kant does not accept lies if we look at the categorical imperative. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Kant does not accept lies if we consider the categorical imperative. The debate about right and not right, what is justice and not justice is part of the debate in philosophy, where we both surely don't have enough knowledge to go into depth. @balkongast @ForeverExpat @Gargron "Kant does not accept lies if we consider the categorical imperative" This is only your opinion. You gave no further source. @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron Again, YOU have stated the automated Kant being always right. It is up to YOU to prove that being correct. @balkongast @ForeverExpat @Gargron Never stated "always right". But. Kant give clear logical rules to a ethic where also lying is allowed and a machine can understand this. @balkongast @ForeverExpat @Gargron There is no paradoxity. You can lie with Kant if you also want that another person lie to you to safe a third persons life? @balkongast @ForeverExpat @Gargron This is clearly inside Kant. I would love that people lie to me if this safe the life of a person. Every ai would understand the logic behind this? @helles_sachsen @ForeverExpat @Gargron We are at a dead end in reading the categorical imperative. |
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Wait, you can clearly made rational thinkings about this situation and deciding right. Especially if the gestapo ask you? It would be more difficult if a democratic police ask you and its reasonable, or if its about a friend or family member, but there are logical paths through this situations, which are better than which the usual human will do in this situation, just acting by emotion.
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