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Sarah Becan

Kids studying the French language today have it so easy. Some of us had to study French way back in one thousand nine hundred four twenties seventeen

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Trit’

@sarahbecan Yeah…
1997 = 1000 + 9 × 100 + 4 × 20 + 10 + 7 (except in Belgium, Luxembourg and Switzerland).

Sarah Becan

@TritTriton I have been informed that Danish numbers are even more convoluted!

The Crafty Miss

@TritTriton @sarahbecan Canada also an exception, no? I am misremembering our modules on global French, perhaps

Trit’

@TheDonsieLass @sarahbecan Québécois is a VERY particular variant of French (not the standard one: they have a lot of words and expressions that are not in use anywhere else, or not in the same way, some of them being just a word-to-word translation from English; no wonder why Google Translate suxx so much to translate EN to FR… 😒), but I don’t think they have a different way to count than in France’s French.

The Crafty Miss

@TritTriton @sarahbecan Thanks. I do remember that it's very different in a loot of ways and that people can tell easily from listening whether one is speaking Québécois or another type of French. I even saw some comedy making jokes about the Québécois accent but my French wasn't accomplished enough to really notice the difference at the time.

I was lucky that my university French course has sections on the language and culture of Francophone communities outside of France, really

Patrick McLaughlin

@TheDonsieLass @TritTriton @sarahbecan

I learned French in Brussels. Parisians and Quebecois all wrinkle their brows in discomfort at an American accented Bruxelloise.

Enough that I've had someone drop into English to demand "WHERE did you learn French? In *Brussels*?!"

It's like learning English in the Bronx, I guess.

The Crafty Miss

@McPatrick Hahaha, this is fantastic information. It reminds me of my uncle, who learned German informally from friends and work associates there who speak primarily regional dialect. He has been told he speaks "truck driver German"

The Crafty Miss

@McPatrick @TritTriton @sarahbecan As an aside, Bruxelles is one of my favourite place names to say in French (whereas I think Brugge is more fun to say in Vlaamse than to call it Bruges)

GunChleoc

@sarahbecan Far easier than learning Gaelic in nine hundredteen four twenty 'n' a-seventeen

It's the year two thousand 'n' three over thwenty right now though.

Clem :sncf:

@gunchleoc @sarahbecan Also easier than learning danish in the year one thousand nine hundred seven and half of the fifth twenty. Haha.

lizzzzard

@clem @gunchleoc @sarahbecan I can't get my head to parse this. What does the "half of the fifth twenty" part mean??

Clem :sncf:

@lizzard @gunchleoc @sarahbecan Like French, Danish has relics of a base-20 system when it comes to name numbers.
In danish 60 is "tresindstyve" which literally means "three times twenty", and 80 is "firsindstyve" which means "four times twenty". That one is similar in French.

But then… 50, 70 and 90 are tricky.

Clem :sncf:

@lizzard @gunchleoc @sarahbecan
… 50 is "halvtredsindstyve" which literally means "half three times twenty". But like in germanic languages, they count backwards when it comes to numbers and times. So basically what it literally means if "half of the third time twenty" (halv = half / tred = three / sinds = times / tyve = twenty).

70 is then "half of the fourth time time twenty" (halvfjerdsindstyve) and 90 is "half of the fifth time twenty" (halvfemsindstyve).

@lizzard @gunchleoc @sarahbecan
… 50 is "halvtredsindstyve" which literally means "half three times twenty". But like in germanic languages, they count backwards when it comes to numbers and times. So basically what it literally means if "half of the third time twenty" (halv = half / tred = three / sinds = times / tyve = twenty).

Clem :sncf:

@lizzard @gunchleoc @sarahbecan

I'm not sure I managed to really explain it, but when a Dane says "97" they actually say "seven and half of the fifth time twenty".

GunChleoc

@clem @lizzard @sarahbecan Yep, the subtraction thing is fun in Danish and really does your head in.

On the bright side, you can cram these as pieces of vocabulary, and the rest is then just 10-based math.

For Gaelic, they actually dug out a medieval numbering system that is 10-based to teach math in schools. This has the additional advantage of not having to change word order from 39 to 40: In the traditional system, 23 = three over thwenty, 63 = three twenty 'n' a-three.

GunChleoc

@clem @lizzard @sarahbecan There's also some shortcuts: 50 = half hundred if you want to avoid two thwenty 'n' a-ten, and 99 = hundred but one, if you want to avoid four twenty 'n' a-nineteen.

Purple

@sarahbecan This just gave me a flashback about when we learned the numbers in french class.

cλémentd

@sarahbecan (or, fancy version: nineteen hundred four twenty seventeen)

Cousin Nalesk

@sarahbecan I had begun studying even before that, during the thousand nine hundred four twenties.
But then, I was born there, so it was easier for me.

Darkoneko

@sarahbecan compared to... one thousand nine hundred and ninety-seven ? 😏

Sarah Becan

@darkoneko Colloquial spoken English usually breaks it down to "nineteen ninety-seven." I never heard a shorter way to say 1997 in French than "mille neuf cent quatre-vingt-dix-sept"! Did French speakers shorten it?

Nour (aka Autistic Enby) 🏳️‍⚧️

@sarahbecan back in Junior school the teacher would make us all say today's date after her at the start of class (probably as a way to practice numbers, day names, and month names).
The date was like an entire song because it was 1998 😅

edit: oh and the day we finally started saying deux mille, wooo that was a breath of fresh air 😂

Simon dē Gulielmō

@sarahbecan And turning pale when you had to answer the question when you were born. On the plus side, I got to dress up as a revolting peasant with a pitchfork in a performance before the school.

St Paul Zamboni Confiscator

@sarahbecan I studied Latin in one thousand one hundred before one thousand ten before one hundred three.

Ju

@sarahbecan I just had to imagine a kid being born in December of 1999 wishing their parents had waited a few weeks longer, so he has an easier time stating when he was born in French class.

(being a person learning Swedish born on a 27th, one of the worst numbers to pronounce in Swedish)

moonwalker

@sarahbecan I'm actually learning french, but I don't I have it ez since I kinda have to learn using sources written in my second language, which is fine, because my english is pretty good

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