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Daughter of Rao

@enkiv2 or just give everyone true internet access, (No GC-NAT bull shit or similar) so they can without problems just host what every they want from any device at home.

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@daughterofrao

I support that too, but the two ideas serve fundamentally different purposes.

Web hosting for static sites is pretty affordable, and free web hosting is available too -- for those who look. So-called "non-technical" people (who are often extremely technical in some other field) don't look, because it's not even on their radar as something possible. When I've spoken to these people, I've generally found that they think writing a web page and getting it on the public web is an extremely difficult thing that they'd need to learn a lot to do, and that might also be very expensive. It's this misconception that I'd like to counter, and the easiest way to counter it is to give everybody a public website + a tutorial.

Back when ISPs did this, even though only a fraction of users actually wrote and maintained anything substantial on their websites (and even though the whole userbase was much smaller), we got huge amounts of oral knowledge put on the internet -- lots of proto-blogs of ordinary (often eccentric) people flying their freak flags and showing off their collection of antique doorknobs or their knowledge of insect taxonomy or their collection of family pie recipes. Some of this culture survives in university faculty web spaces. Stuff like neocities is, I think, trying to recapture this, but the problem is that in order to know about neocities you need to be a nerd, and the diversity of geocities came from people who don't identify as computer nerds getting nerdy about other things.

@daughterofrao

I support that too, but the two ideas serve fundamentally different purposes.

Web hosting for static sites is pretty affordable, and free web hosting is available too -- for those who look. So-called "non-technical" people (who are often extremely technical in some other field) don't look, because it's not even on their radar as something possible. When I've spoken to these people, I've generally found that they think writing a web page and getting it on the public web is an extremely...

Mikle_Bond

@enkiv2

@daughterofrao

The great misconception I'd like to counter is the idea of "text file". In my experience, most of non-technical people can't grasp the idea of plain text files, as the only form of text they know is MS Word documents. Some people have never seen a text file, others might've thought of it as some kind of "broken" or "misbihaving" as it didn't open in their "text editor". Sometimes I was requested to send some pieces of information, and was accused in sending a "broken file" because it was a plain txt.

What MS Office have done to people is a crime, that keeps reinforcing itself. Non-technical people in power "guard this knowledge" by forcing their non-technical subordinates to only use MS Word and nothing else.

I wouldn't have guessed on my own that this would become a problem if I didn't witness it with my own eyes.

And tutorials would go like "HTML file is just a plain text file, that you can edit in your favorite text editor", but suddenly this statement is either unhelpful (at best) or misleading (at worst).

How to explain what "plain text" is to someone who have never seen one?

@enkiv2

@daughterofrao

The great misconception I'd like to counter is the idea of "text file". In my experience, most of non-technical people can't grasp the idea of plain text files, as the only form of text they know is MS Word documents. Some people have never seen a text file, others might've thought of it as some kind of "broken" or "misbihaving" as it didn't open in their "text editor". Sometimes I was requested to send some pieces of information, and was accused in sending a "broken file"...

patter

@Mikle_Bond @enkiv2 @daughterofrao some of the browsers back then had built in html editors (possibly full site builders, it was so long ago I can't remember the details of Netscape 4) so there was general availability of tools so you wouldn't have to muck about in raw plain text html

That could come back

S. John Ross

@Mikle_Bond @enkiv2 @daughterofrao In my case, I had hundreds of pages of weirdness on my old homepage but I relied on ancient WYSIWYG editing. I've never learned a lick of HTML beyond Bold and Italic and paragraph breaks, and still find the prospect intimidating. 😄 But, I killed my homepage for so many reasons.

I retreated to blog country, which felt like selling the farm and moving into a retirement village. 😁

knack

@enkiv2 @daughterofrao

I host a whole bunch of stuff at home, but anything I want to make accessible reliably I put in a cloud somewhere with a local backup. Downtime is just too frequent otherwise.

Daughter of Rao

@knack Sounds you've got a Internet DIsservice Provider...
They should just give ppl internet... relyably!

knack

@daughterofrao the lack of reliability is more to do with it running on my homelab (which I tinker with enough to make unreliable).

ISP-caused outages are rare & short here, though I had a sustained one when a truck hit the lines.

Putting static sites in AWS simplifies a whole bunch of things.

Kudra :maybe_verified:

@enkiv2 @daughterofrao I feel this so much. I will make sure my daughter learns basic html when she's old enough to tinker with it. I think it's something that needs to be addressed in school as a basic skill. I'm old enough that the web wasn't really a global public thing that you could access until I'd finished uni the first time around, though it did start ramping up not long after. Geocities might have been my first attempt at a website, but I started registering domains not long after. At a basic level, if you don't have any php or databases, you can keep a simple website up without any maintenance for decades (and that's precisely what I've done in some cases - but in others I've let people complicate them and then be left a difficult task to learn all the complexity myself when they stop maintaining them, so I can appreciate many non-nerds being horribly intimidated.)

@enkiv2 @daughterofrao I feel this so much. I will make sure my daughter learns basic html when she's old enough to tinker with it. I think it's something that needs to be addressed in school as a basic skill. I'm old enough that the web wasn't really a global public thing that you could access until I'd finished uni the first time around, though it did start ramping up not long after. Geocities might have been my first attempt at a website, but I started registering domains not long after. At a...

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