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Gakusei :arch:

@jacqueline

This seems so cool! I wish this was around when I was looking for a dedicated music player, but I might buy it in the future just to support the open hardware movement. If I could have something like this that supports self-hosted services (Jellyfin, Navidrome, Audiobookshelf, etc.), I'd be in heaven.

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@foreverastudent @jacqueline as its based on an ESP32, wifi support could be added and support for streaming could be added! it's a neat piece of hardware and i hope it will out well!!

Gakusei :arch:

@confusomu

Oh my god, the excitement is too real. Given some of my own personal plans, I might need this.

Chris

@Brett_E_Carlock @jacqueline @jalcine

Seconded. If this supports Rockbox, I'd support it instantly. If not, I wouldn't be interested.

Luci for dyeing

@jacqueline i’m not that close to you but can I say I am proud of you and your work? or is that weird?

acb

@jacqueline That looks awesome.
Has anyone looked at running the Rockbox open-source firmware on it? It seems to be quite feature-rich, and if there are no dealbreakers, could save a lot of development time.

jacqueline

@acb we looked into it early on! there's a bunch of small-but-annoying issues that make it a challenging port (spiram, bluetooth support, the way rockbox relies on extensive #ifdefs for porting...), and we were a bit unhappy with the dev experience. i'd love to see someone try it though!

momo

@jacqueline looks like a really nice project. :)

Gourd

@jacqueline (signs up for this and also winces at their entire music library largely being in AAC)

Mostly curious if it's a CPU power or licensing thing.

jacqueline

@gourd i just haven’t done it yet! shouldn’t be a problem to add

Gourd

@jacqueline Cool! :)

I just jumped to "well, I know it's one of the more demanding codecs in Rockbox, and it's still patent encumbered unlike all these other codecs, and either of those could explain it."

js

@jacqueline yay, congratulations!!!

you're doing some really inspirational work here. I'm so grateful someone is putting something like this in the world, and it makes me want to make more things myself.

The Original Stripey Goodness

@jacqueline this looks awesome.
You all are using the ESP32 but the page doesn't mention whether there are plans for this to e.g. update the library over wifi. Or does it and I just didn't find it?

jacqueline

@stripey syncing over wifi would be great! atm the firmware requires you to remove the sd card to update music, but we're working on syncing over usb.
part of why we went with the esp32 is to have the flexibility to do stuff with wifi later!

Tom

@jacqueline This looks great! I currently use a Hiby R3 Pro, which has a pretty good form factor and physical buttons, but I hate the UI. I definitely miss the clickwheel for speed of interaction.

FlatFootFox

@jacqueline It’s been so fun following this project! Congrats on the upcoming launch!

Bhante Subharo

@jacqueline This is reminiscent of a Sandisk Sansa e280 I used to have, with Rockbox on it. I used it for like 10 years until it died. It even had a user-replaceable battery.

Please bring Rockbox back.

Rohaq

@jacqueline Does it have a WiFi module?

Just uh, out of sheer interest.

jacqueline

@rohaq yes! we're not doing anything with it yet, but the esp32 can do wifi

Samhain Night 4 Harris

@jacqueline Very interested! Any idea about the potential price range?

jacqueline

@samhainnight look at how much a refurbished ipod with the works goes for in your area. about that much!

xanatax 🐰

@jacqueline … that looks pretty awesome! Look way more advanced than the old, “Walkman” casette-tape player. or whatever. 😘

If I wanted to modify it … is it possible to add solder-on an extra audio-port, and add a new feature to record audio from “Line-In”? 🤔 I feel like that could be useful too.

jacqueline

@xanatax we don’t have a good onboard adc, so recording probably won’t work great. adding a second audio output is probably doable though!

Stephanie Loves to Make

@jacqueline @xanatax it's powered by the esp32, ya? Access to i2s should be enough for some really cool mods, including i2s ADCs and even FM/AM/etc tuners.

jacqueline

@stephlahs @xanatax yep! if you’re willing to bodge egregiously then there’s a *lot* you can do (there’s even a 5v rail if you really need it)

Mike 🦦

@jacqueline my wife will NOT give up her old iPod cuz she just doesn't like using streaming stuff. This is going to be the perfect birthday gift so thanks.

Nick

@jacqueline Well, one problem I see with using this device is the majority of stuff out there nowadays aside from BandCamp and Ninjatune is the streaming media issue. One cannot use this with Spotify or Apple Music because those businesses don't let you download artists' tracks as mp3 or FLAC.

radioactivestardust

@jacqueline why is this great in a world where everyone has a smartphone?

josch

@bookstardust @jacqueline Not everybody has a smartphone. I don't have one and my sandisk sansa is dying a slow death. So for me, this project comes at a perfect time. 😀

chiborg

@bookstardust @jacqueline This is great in a world where you want to rely less on your smartphone because it’s too distracting, but you’re addicted to music. This is great in a world where you love the apple ecosystem but dislike some of its shortcomings: where you want to lug around your 1TB music collection but can’t afford an iPhone that has that much storage. Where the only software that allows you put music on your device is utter crap.

Heals :heart_nb: (comms open)

@jacqueline @neckspike not to be that gal but they're making a clunky rip-off of the 2006 iPod with two unnecessary extra side buttons and an iPod classic storage slot and even copy the look of the OS and it's hip now because it's all open source software and hardware?

jacqueline

@heals @neckspike

1. you are being that gal
2. hardware buttons are an a11y feature. they’re good, actually!
3. what’s an ‘ipod classic storage slot’? no ipod ever had first party storage expansion
4. the ui flow in that screenshot is pretty different. do u just mean it’s blue and white and has a title bar?
5. yes.

Heals :heart_nb: (comms open)

@jacqueline @neckspike jep, it's one of these mornings and I could have worded that a lot milder - note to self to not open mastodon on bad mood workdays.

As for a few of the points - I have an original iPod CF storage around.. so it was at least replaceable, if not by a slot then with a screwdriver, but I admit I might have mis-remember it being through a slot. It was literally just a Compact Flash card though.

For the UI - unless I missed a very obvious link with more pictures or a video it's hard to tell how things work outside of “that looks a whole lot like the original iPod UI with the hardware buttons moved onto the screen” (see attached picture) - maybe a video would help preventing people from pulling comparisons to media players that did actually exist in the 2001s.

@jacqueline @neckspike jep, it's one of these mornings and I could have worded that a lot milder - note to self to not open mastodon on bad mood workdays.

As for a few of the points - I have an original iPod CF storage around.. so it was at least replaceable, if not by a slot then with a screwdriver, but I admit I might have mis-remember it being through a slot. It was literally just a Compact Flash card though.

A cool crab wearing shades

@heals
@jacqueline

Refurbished iPod classics go for $150 and up and there are no new battery options, this also open hardware using standard parts that can be replaced. Ask @gourd about using old iPod hardware right now

Heals :heart_nb: (comms open)

@neckspike @jacqueline @gourd I still have old iPod hardware around - I have a rough idea how much fun it is to use them.

And yes, I was too harsh in my wording.

A cool crab wearing shades

@heals @jacqueline I'm very excited about it because I've wanted something like this for the last ~5 years but there's really nothing on the market unless you want to fuck with 20 year old hardware. Audiophile DAPs are $500+ and basically a phone without a sim card, the cheap options break as soon as you look at them (have had several Clip+ that powered on less than 5 times before bricking forever and getting returned).

Heals :heart_nb: (comms open)

@neckspike @jacqueline people would probably murder me if I said “I'm excited about it despite of my comment this morning” even if I am :facepalm:

I get where you're coming from

A cool crab wearing shades

@heals

@jacqueline
Also yeah the post was for the dozens of us who have been following @jacqueline & co's development of the Tangara for months, it's not a full pitch for a kit that's not quite ready to start a campaign.

ailurux

@heals @jacqueline @neckspike just to let you know, ui is still an in progress thing for us right now, plus we have support for custom theming. but there's only so many elements on that screen and they're all kinda... stuff you'd expect to see on a music player, there's really not much to "copy".

Hailey

@heals @jacqueline this is a really mean thing to say to someone, a real person out there just like you, working on their own cool project and sharing it with the world. Why reply? Who asked you?

Robin ╰(ಠ_ಠ✿)╯

@heals @jacqueline @neckspike fwiw jacqueline had to sternly negotiate me down from having fifteen hardware buttons; compromises eh 🤷‍♀️

Heals :heart_nb: (comms open)

@buzzyrobin @jacqueline @neckspike I'm actually curious of how that would have looked - are there any concepts from that time?

'cause the original iPod also had extra front facing buttons for a few elements you have on-screen right now.

Robin ╰(ಠ_ಠ✿)╯

@heals @jacqueline @neckspike something like this

(In all seriousness, no, I was joking. We discussed front ring buttons but opted for side ones; initially just volume, but then rebindable for accessibility.)

[GARLIC] Lunya :trans_verify: :lesbian_verify:🧄

@jacqueline@chaos.social looks cool! don't think i'd use it since i have my phone with me anyways so it's more convenient to play from there, but cool regardless

Jade
@jacqueline I have a mighty need, that looks awesome!
Alexander Cobleigh

@jacqueline roughly how long could you use listen to songs before running out of battery when using 3.5mm headhpones with bluetooth or wifi turned off? from the project description i wasn't sure if it was "24h of listening on 1 charge" or more on the order of 4 hours

very cool project!

jacqueline

@cblgh it depends a bit on your headphones, but about a day, yeah!

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