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Bob Pony

Anyone gonna switch to Mozilla Firefox?

From r/uBlockOrigin on Reddit, posted by u/jasonrmns:

Google confirms they will disable MV2 extensions including uBlock Origin in mid 2024

https://developer.chrome.com/blog/resuming-the-transition-to-mv3/

https://9to5google.com/2023/11/16/chrome-extensions-disabled/
172 comments
Light/386 2.1

@bobpony I think this will push a lot of folk to consider a different browser, if they hadn't before.

it is not a fun time without some form of ad-blocking that's for sure.

Bob Pony

@LightTheUnicorn It would be interesting how other chromium based browsers will handle it, probably could write their own ad blocker. Even then, I'm personally not a fan of other chromium based browsers.

Flaky

Vivaldi and Brave have already implemented adblockers FWIW.

Hexxy The Grouch

@bobpony Already have ages ago. I still need Chrome for specific tasks, but using Googley tools is not one of them. Other things you can do to (I think) make Google's job harder beyond Firefox:
- Noscript
- Privacy Badger
- DNS ad blocking
- Don't log in to your google acct other than to pull mail. Sign out for general Youtube usage or a private window seems to isolate between signins.
- Have Firefox purge all cookies and cache on close. For extra fun, close the browse when logging out of gmail.

maya_b

@hexxy_the_grouch @bobpony and use the Firefox containers extension. I only use alphabet apps in an alphabet container, meta container for meta, and so on.

cuan_knaggs

@hexxy_the_grouch set up Firefox Multi-Account Containers and Temporary Containers and you can sandbox all the tracking @bobpony

cameronbosch :endeavourOS:

@bobpony No. But I already don't use Chrome, and the Chromium forks I use are keeping Manifest v2 support for the foreseeable future.

Bigger Insights

@bobpony We don't recommend Chrome for privacy reasons regardless. Using multiple browsers for different purposes is recommended. Firefox and Tor Browser are good. If you like Chromium browsers, Brave is also quite good.

DELETED

@bobpony I've been using Firefox for years. There have been way more important reasons to stop using Chrome long before this.

Zander The Lion 🔜 LosCon/MFF

@bobpony Maybe not firefox, but definitely going to start looking for alternatives. I don't necessarily have uBlock for stopping normal ads. I use it mostly as an extra layer of security and to stop intrusive ads. I wouldn't mind ads if so many companies wouldn't force them in my face.

Kelleyyy 🏳️‍⚧️

@Zeta @bobpony I've stuck to using librewolf lately, but there are lots of great options out there

Fitik the Furry🐲🐾🇮🇱

@bobpony@mastodon.social I use opera gx, I wonder if it will affect it to

Also why can't ublock transition to mv3?

Alex

@bobpony we actually need more browser variety, the more ore less open source things are firefox and chromium, which are imo far from optimal, and then there is proprietary malware that you can use to browse, something like vivaldi and opera, edge and safari. And that's it. If someone like the EU would want to impose a very fascist bill (and spoilers: they do), or if some corpo wanted to ban something, we wouldn't even have some alternative.

DELETED

@bobpony not surprising at all. At this stage it's likely for the best that folks to avoid chrome based browsers.

Think google made it clear that they just want whats "best" for them

GamesRevolution

@jeff @bobpony as they say, the best time to switch to Firefox was 3 years ago, second best time is now

Nick Spacek :CApride:

@bobpony I switched back to Firefox-based browser (LibreWolf) a few years ago and haven't looked back. It is a little too aggressive out of the box for me, but it does away with some of the Mozilla telemetry.

Konstantin :loading:

@bobpony now the chess game move is for ublock to do an ad blocker without mv2

Bob Pony

Bit off topic but... How did this post blow up?!

Junior

@bobpony The @lisamelton boost probably helped tremendously :ablobgrin:

オツユグ

@bobpony Feels like big new to me. I wouldn't use a browser without a good adblock and I only know that one.

Big gatito 700

@bobpony idk but i remember talking to you in a discord chat like years ago if that counts for anything lol

Mike Smale

@bobpony Never used anything else except for Safari to download it.

DELETED

@bobpony Can't switch from Firefox to Firefox. 🦊

The Polish Dispatch

@bobpony I mean, one can always chose not to upgrade, right? I am still sitting on Chromium v90.
Disclaimer: Chromium is not my preferred browser anyway. Right now I am using Firefox v77.0.1 alongside Vivaldi v6.4.

The Polish Dispatch

@stoeps @bobpony Yes. It's the last vesion before the one which brought changes I didn't like.

lolli

@bobpony History repeating: Nerds start telling people $browser sucks, market share will shrink. This time due to youtube ad blocking. I'm currently using brave for youtube, FF for private stuff, chrome(ium) for work. Will adapt if necessary.

Axel Cohen-Jonathan

@bobpony i'm still a firefox user since...ever. my previous browser was Netscape

The Reality Unicorn

@bobpony I use #Vivaldi browser. Chromium based, but excellent ad blocker built in.

https://vivaldi.com

Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝

@bobpony people are still using Chrome?

(I know they are... It's disappointing to think of)

A January Sponge

@bobpony Used Firefox as long as it's existed except for a brief flirtation with Chrome ten years ago that lasted about two weeks.

DasTausW

@bobpony No. I’ve never used anything else then #Firefox :-)

Volbard

@bobpony
I absolutely would if I wasn’t already, and it’s hard to root me out of a browser!

OddOpinions5

@bobpony

NO

the percent of users who use add ons of any sort, much less ad blockers, is so small that use of such an add on increases your fingerprint entropy (more or less; YMMV)

but seriously, aside from a few of us wierdos on mastodon, NO ONE CARES ???

waldi

@bobpony So the subject is missleading. They will disable MV2, nicht uBlock Origin specific. So you need to switch to MV3 and be on your way.

Jan (DL1JPH)

@waldi
Not misleading at all, since MV3 makes the kind of blocking uBlock Origin does completely impossible and, judging by the discussions around MV3, that's fully intentional.
@bobpony

waldi

@DL1JPH

There is a MV3 based uBlock Origin and it works in most cases. See github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-h for known missing things. Could you explain your "completely impossible" within that context please?

@bobpony

Jan (DL1JPH)

@waldi
MV3 only allows for list-based blocking, rather than the dynamic pattern based blocking used with MV2. Initially, Google tried to completely prevent any dynamics with those lists and severely restrict their size, though they later realized they wouldn't get away with that. However, the current specification still makes it very likely that any blocking will miss stuff.
@bobpony

Jan (DL1JPH)

@waldi
Or, in other words, the fact that the "lite" version doesn't fully work isn't due to it being new, but a direct consequence of design decisions in MV3.
@bobpony

waldi

@DL1JPH

So we are at: any new thing is bad. This is no useful discussion then. We will get new things and need to remove older ones.

You've doubled down from "completely broken" to "not fully work". But you did not provide a single example, so others can see what you mean is broken in practice.

So this is a large case of xkcd.com/1172/

@bobpony

waldi

@DL1JPH

So you don't know any actual problem with the current implementation. Esp as you started with "completely impossible".

The size limits are documented in developer.chrome.com/docs/exte and several changes are pending for the next release.

@bobpony

💉Eliot B

@bobpony nope, because I never switched away from #firefox to chrome :)

kajer

@bobpony I have been on Firefox since Mosiac was a thing. Chrome was *okay* until the memes started about memory usage. That combined with the removal of all tweaks and options...

I still have feelings about the firefox mobile client removing the about:config abilities from mainline release... Why should those hidden options only exist in nightly channels?!?!

beforewisdom 🖖

@bobpony

Already there. Chrome is a privacy nightmare.

Lee

@bobpony I changed about a year ago because of this threat. It was incredibly easy. Like super duper easy. Would recommend it to anyone.

Gabriel Pettier

@bobpony can't, i never stopped using it in the first place.

But welcome back to the ones who will.

DELETED

@bobpony Switched back to FF years ago. It's a nice browser.

vv221
I can’t. I would need to use another Web browser in the first place.
DELETED

@bobpony i've heard this every year since the mid 2010s lmao do it or get over it

Bill Hooker

@bobpony I've been happy with Vivaldi for about 5 months now.

Arthur

@bobpony I wish I could on my school Chromebook as well. It only allows chrome and yeah. Although I did stop updates with CAUB.

DELETED

@bobpony how can i switch to something ive always used since netscape days.

jepdee

@bobpony I did two weeks ago on a phone, two personal computers, and a work computer. it took maybe 20 minutes in total to completely leave Chrome in the dust.

Flaky

Mozilla needs to get their heads on straight if they want Firefox to flourish, even as a second to Chrome. Not implementing things that users want (e.g. tab tiling which was a thing during the XUL extension days), while adding stuff not even non-technical users want or need (e.g. Fakespot integration). It’s frustrating.

DELETED

@bobpony already have. I'm splitting from google for some things nowadays.

Arga

@bobpony Last time I tried out Firefox a lot of stuff I relied on was not supported by it. If this happens & I switch, I just hope either Mozilla or those websites worked on compatibilities.

Jeff, Cat Herder

@bobpony@mastodon.social Switched a while ago. Google can kick rocks, I'm done with them.

ImakeIcecream

@bobpony Been using FF for years, also duckduckgo for searching! Would recommend.

ariegri

@bobpony I would if I could... but I already use FF!

Ptisan

@bobpony I switched to Brave some time ago. Also of note, I run a pihole which sinkholes most ads before they even get to my browser to be blocked

Chaoddity

@bobpony if this happens, yes. I will uninstall chrome entirely and use firefox exclusively. (presently I use both)

Terminhell

@bobpony been maining Firefox since it was still Mozilla. Sure, i have and use other browsers for various things, but ff will always be #1

Orc

@bobpony sigh. Time to fork ungoogled chromium and make it extra ungoogled

David Bender

@bobpony
Switch? I've never left Firefox since I started using it in college in the early 2000s. Partly out of comfort for not having to learn a new interface, but mostly because of the customization and security their add-on function has always allowed. Long live Firefox!

William :18_plus:

@bobpony Always use Firefox as my primary browser. I do separate some aspects of my browsing out to Chromium-based browsers (Brave, Vivaldi)

FrostyTSM

@bobpony I did a few years ago and haven't missed chrome at all

Kote Isaev

@bobpony #Google can coerce Firefox to switch to MV3 and abandon MV2 by treating to end "default search engine" sponsorship deal.
I am at #Firefox now, and donating there a bit, but not sure what to use instead if this will happen.
May be some other corp can sign a sponsorship deal, e. g. Microsoft, for PR purposes.

basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

@bobpony if that turns true, then yes, I'll switch to Firefox.

XenoLurch🏴

@bobpony If people are still using chrome, I'd say they're probably pot committed at this point.

oobisan

@bobpony @ch0ccyra1n

Next google will require toothpicks to keep eyeballs open at all times ads are played.

Jack C.

@bobpony went all in on Firefox about a year ago, there were a few minor gripes but mostly it gets the job done without any obvious downsides

Third spruce tree on the left

@bobpony Already have! Just in the last month.

A few growing pains... and switching between profiles isn't quite as smooth/seamless as in chrome, but otherwise quite liking it.

Browser is just as fast. Loving Privacy Badger. Pocket is an interesting addition. Extensions are just as plentiful, everything is FOSS.

AND I switched to Duck Duck Go; yeah it might be Bing and Yahoo under the hood, but its enshittification factor is so much lower than Google. Im actually getting relevant results!

st3ph3n

@bobpony switched as soon as Google announced this anti-adblocker bullshit a couple of years ago.

Dipper

@bobpony I've been a Firefox/Thunderbird person from day one. Mozilla ftw

OldFartPhil

@bobpony Another member of team Firefox has always been my primary browser. Welcome back, all.

Felix 🐊

@bobpony Hello from firefox! the cool thing about switching to firefox is that there's more pressure for mozilla to prioritize features their users like or for people to create a fork that does. And also, you know, some semblance of data privacy, probably.

mav :happy_blob:

@bobpony careful, you'll get all the Google loyalists chirping on about how MV3 is just fine, thank you very much, and it isn't in any way going to break anything

(I'm not kidding, I've had this argument here already with people who are literally on standards boards, who also don't care)

Nick

@bobpony

Already on FF, Chrome is atrocious garbage.

My health insurance uses microsoft teams and it'll only run in Chrome. I'm so so stoked with exchanging private medical info over chrome. just super. 🤬

Vincent St. Pierre :mw:

@bobpony jumped back to Firefox some 6 months ago. :blobfoxdrakelike:

Aylastark

@bobpony I used to use Firefox, but it started eating up my computer's memory like it was chocolate cake. I switched to Chrome. Now I'm on the lookout for a better browser and am not sure I want to go back to Firefox.

Uraael

@Aylastark@universeodon.com @bobpony@mastodon.social Give Vivaldi a try. They vehemently oppose Google and the browser is terrific.

Jason Bowen

@bobpony Switch? I never bothered with Chrome.

Also, lynx forever!

#lynx

joriki

@bobpony

followed shortly thereafter by a lot of malware installed by "workaround" trojan versions

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