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Octavia con Amore

@ophiocephalic @artmin Calling it a dogpile feels like it's doing people a dis-service. The 3 toots I see other than yours are pointing out some pretty important things for a server to get right :sylveon_sip:

Blindly importing a blocklist can do so much harm, and judging by what's on it and the "reasons" for the blocks, it looks like it is/was a badly informed, badly maintained blocklist :zerotwo_learn:​

That said, considering they're new admins, I don't think anybody expects them to get it all right straight out of the gate. What's important is whether they see this and start making corrections or if they dismiss it all as "a dogpile" :espeon_love:​

@ophiocephalic @artmin Calling it a dogpile feels like it's doing people a dis-service. The 3 toots I see other than yours are pointing out some pretty important things for a server to get right :sylveon_sip:

Blindly importing a blocklist can do so much harm, and judging by what's on it and the "reasons" for the blocks, it looks like it is/was a badly informed, badly maintained blocklist :zerotwo_learn:​

ophiocephalic 🐍

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Yes it's a dogpile, and I would recommend looking at this thread at the link of their instance rather than through yours, otherwise you are probably not seeing seeing the full force of what they've been hit with: mastoart.social/@artmin/111329

Then ask yourself this question: After the experience of going to all the trouble and expense of starting up a new instance, and sending out one friendly message, only to get hit with a shitstorm of complaints about the first pass of their blocklist choices and the actions of *other instances* that they themselves have nothing to do with - why would they or anyone else even bother to get involved here? This dogshit is destroying the fedi. For fucks sake give them a chance to get set up and settled in before smearing all this shit in their faces

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Yes it's a dogpile, and I would recommend looking at this thread at the link of their instance rather than through yours, otherwise you are probably not seeing seeing the full force of what they've been hit with: mastoart.social/@artmin/111329

Then ask yourself this question: After the experience of going to all the trouble and expense of starting up a new instance, and sending out one friendly message, only to get hit with a shitstorm of complaints about...

Octavia con Amore

@ophiocephalic @artmin Oh yeah, that's definitely a bit of a different picture. Thanks for suggesting that :bear_love:​ Let's see...opinions on "no porn", concerns about affiliation with a certain not-Irish-not-Fairy, people not liking the idea of instances that centralise a specific profession, whinging about fedi vs Bluesky, along with a handful of people welcoming them and their instance.

Overall, counting toots, it's not too bad, though many more words were written in the negative than the welcoming toots :zerotwo_shrug:​ I can see where you might see a dogpile, even if I wouldn't reach that same conclusion.

Overall, I'd still say this is a good chance for them to round up concerns and see where they can go from there. Discard the drivel about Bluesky and the griping about instances that have a specific purpose, see what they can do about their block-list and how they manage it, and go from there. Heck, they even explicitly thank Kye for bringing up an issue with their blocklist (mastoart.social/@artmin/111330) which makes me at least slightly optimistic :eevee_joy:​

@ophiocephalic @artmin Oh yeah, that's definitely a bit of a different picture. Thanks for suggesting that :bear_love:​ Let's see...opinions on "no porn", concerns about affiliation with a certain not-Irish-not-Fairy, people not liking the idea of instances that centralise a specific profession, whinging about fedi vs Bluesky, along with a handful of people welcoming them and their instance.

ophiocephalic 🐍

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Thanks for taking up the suggestion. I just worry that all the tensions will end up tearing everything apart. fwiw I agree their blocklist needs to evolve, and surely it will. In fact, the problem isn't actually theirs, but the bigger issues of blocklist management, which is evolving. It's all good!

ophiocephalic 🐍

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Sorry if that reply was a little too tart, but there needs to be a little more grace and mercy here, no disrespect intended

Octavia con Amore

@ophiocephalic @artmin Oh, my last reply was made right before seeing this :blobfox_laugh_sweat:​ No worries, no disrespect felt. I think I'm mostly speaking from a fear that there'd be another art instance that waves away blocklist-related worries :zerotwo_dead:​

ophiocephalic 🐍

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Yes, that's a relevant concern. I would love to interface with more artists on here, but I've been blocked out, maybe you have too 🤞

Doug

@ophiocephalic
Grace and mercy would be more forthcoming if they were more proactive about their intentions. So far they read like a deliberate mimicry of another art instance but with considerabely less thought in their blocklist which immediately raises questions.

Now that's an entirely valid reason to exist, but being coy isn't the way tonearn trust.

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin

ophiocephalic 🐍

@doug @OctaviaConAmore @artmin
You're thinking too hard. Amazing how much cynicism a six-word expression of kindness will dredge up.

The fedi needs an alternative to that "other art instance", because it has defederated itself from a majority of the federation. But no forgiveness from your instance (which has itself been declared heretical?) for not being instantly steeped in the unfathomable esoterica of fediverse blocklist politics

Doug

@ophiocephalic
"my" instance? How has union.place been declared "heretical"? And for clarity, I'm just an account on their instance.

I explicitly said, being an alternative is perfectly justified, they should be honest about it.

@OctaviaConAmore @artmin

ophiocephalic 🐍

@doug @OctaviaConAmore @artmin
Please indicate what exactly is dishonest in the single toot at the top of this accursed thread

Doug

@ophiocephalic @OctaviaConAmore

Again, I have _explicitly_ said they have presented their target audience. They have done that. They are aiming at artists. They want art (T&C apply, in the rules). Done. Can you accept I have said that yet?

/c

Doug

@ophiocephalic @OctaviaConAmore

My second point you appear to be deliberately avoiding is their lack of information in regards to their blocklist policy, WHICH has been questioned IN THIS THREAD, and you're defending it based on nothing. They have posted nothing bar one reply to one post.

Obviously this is where they are positioning themselves against other instances, even choosing a similar name (to be clear, is perfectly justified!).

And you want good faith and mercy from me, but not you?

Octavia con Amore

@doug @ophiocephalic @artmin Honest about what? Coy about what? They're an art instance at a time when more than the usual number of artists might be looking for a home :zerotwo_shrug:​ Would you rather they came out with "<expletive> <instances> and <admins>, they're <expletive> <expletive>" or something similar as their first message? :cat_sip:​

Doug

@OctaviaConAmore Becauase that's literally the only way to introduce yourself as a new server in a populated world of Mastodon servers. Boilerplate "Hi!" and what you propose?

Please.

Doug

@ophiocephalic

There are 2 things people should take care to evaluate when joining an instance. The community they want to host (eg special interest), and how well it is admijistered (moderated) based on its rules and (whispers...) blocklist.

This introduction has stated the intended interest they want to serve. Check.

However his thread is full of critique of the administration AS PRESENTED. No reading between the lines.

@artmin

ophiocephalic 🐍

@doug @artmin
None of which has anything to do with an accusation against their "honesty"
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