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Dan Goodin

@mbonsma @chu

What about pedestrians who walk through don't walk signals with ear buds on, screaming into their phone, completely oblivious to to oncoming traffic, including bicyclists (happens to me, a bicyclist, almost every day)? Should that REALLY by a right?

I'm as opposed to car culture as y'all are. Arguing that pedestrians shouldn't have to pay attention to what's going on around them isn't going to advance the agenda.

18 Oct 2023 at 2:21 | Wall-to-wall | Open on infosec.exchange
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Madeleine Bonsma-Fisher, PhD

@dangoodin @chu in the hierarchy of road users pedestrians are higher than bikes, sorry
(also making this a pedestrian vs bike thing is gross so please don't)

18 Oct 2023 at 2:31 | Open on mastodon.social
Dan Goodin

@mbonsma @chu

Sorry, but making the argument that people don't need to exercise common sense when walking in public spaces is also gross. More importantly, it's counterproductive to the cause you and I (someone who walks a good 15 or 20 miles per week in a major US city) both believe in.

18 Oct 2023 at 2:39 | Open on infosec.exchange
dr2chase

@dangoodin @mbonsma @chu I feel like I can miss pedestrians all day long, and I bike across Harvard Science Plaza and Cambridge Common 10 times each week. What's so hard about looking out for other people?

18 Oct 2023 at 3:00 | Open on ohai.social
Dan Goodin

@dr2chase @mbonsma @chu

Are we really having a serious discussion about whether pedestrians should walk through don't walk signs with no awareness of anyone or anything else around them, during rush hour in particular?

18 Oct 2023 at 3:05 | Open on infosec.exchange
T Chu 朱

@dangoodin @dr2chase @mbonsma

I don't think that's really the core of what OP is getting at. Rather it's general commentary about blaming the victim. Just like girls shouldn't be blamed for wearing skirts or whatever the F we were wearing at the moment we were attacked.

I am very anxious when my kids are playing at the park because of the cars. When my kids are at High Park when it's shut down to cars, those worries go away. Yes. There are bikes, but the likelihood of a cyclist causing serious injury is not nearly as high as a car. (Though in fairness I did do the mama yell thing at a cyclist behaving badly and cycling recklessly through said park once).

It's not that pedestrians should walk around with earbuds in and noses in phones. If they fell into a hole in the sidewalk they would be deserving of that fate if that were the case. It's that momentary distractions should not result in death sentences because of how large and unsafe we are continually building vehicles.

Looking down for a moment should not mean I deserved to be hit, just like wearing a short skirt does not mean I deserved to be attacked.

@dangoodin @dr2chase @mbonsma

I don't think that's really the core of what OP is getting at. Rather it's general commentary about blaming the victim. Just like girls shouldn't be blamed for wearing skirts or whatever the F we were wearing at the moment we were attacked.

I am very anxious when my kids are playing at the park because of the cars. When my kids are at High Park when it's shut down to cars, those worries go away. Yes. There are bikes, but the likelihood of a cyclist causing serious injury...

18 Oct 2023 at 3:39 | Open on climatejustice.social
dr2chase

@dangoodin @mbonsma @chu Have you got better support for your opinion than "I can't believe!!!". In practice most pedestrians are paying attention, I don't want to hit any of them, and if I take the POV that it's my problem to solve, I can. If I expect cooperation, I might not get it, then what? Being mad at the ped doesn't solve the problem.

18 Oct 2023 at 13:06 | Open on ohai.social
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