Evan Prodromou
So, if I were going to make a tech manifesto, it might be something like: - protocols not platforms 31 comments
Andy Lundell 🙄
@brennansv @evan That all sounds good so long as the workers retain their ability to strike if it all falls apart on them.
jon r
@brennansv @evan Also the legal form dubbed 'worker coop' in the UK doesn't exist in many other legislations. Here in the EU, if not trying to harmonise cooperative legislation, there are attempts at new legal forms where shared ownership is a mandatory quality. So far the cooperatives movement has found different implementations throughout the globe, and we need to learn a lot more from each other how to use existing and advocate for new legal forms for fruitful ecosystems. 
steelman
@brennansv Mitbestimmungsgesetz has been established after unions threatened with strikes and in most cases unions take part in this process. 
Emma Builds 🚀
@brennansv @evan why not 100% worker control so we don't have to negotiate with capital? 
Evan Prodromou
@ironchamber @u24 I made it up. "Seven generations" is a term that means thinking three generations backwards and three forwards. Seven continents is one way of dividing up the world, meaning, don't just think of the US and maybe Europe.
Jason Brooks
@evan @ironchamber @u24 Ah, I got the generations bit, but was googling for the continents part
Mary Branscombe
@evan @ironchamber @u24 ROW Genevieve Bell tells a wonderful story about arriving at Intel unsure exactly what they want an anthropologist for and discovering they want someone to explain 'women' and 'rest of world' which she sums up as 'everyone who doesn't work here' 
Brendan Jones
@evan @ironchamber @u24 Out of curiosity, where does the 3 forwards/3 backwards concept originate? And when one thinks 3 generations backwards, what would you have them think about? Also an FYI that this competing 7-generations concept exists and is what I thought you might have meant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_generation_sustainability
Merlin Rebrović
@evan I just saw a comment about a completely different topic, but it matches perfectly with your proposal: "This is too much like common sense, rationality, and compassion. Totally won't fly." 🙂 Also, my thoughts on the manifesto: https://mas.to/@merlinrebrovic/111250411970629588 
Derek Caelin 🌱
@Brendanjones @evan Thanks! What an idea, click around and explore more before asking a question! 😅 Fully agree with the sentiment. It's a challenge to think about "generations" given how emphemoral software is, but maybe that's the point. 
Sean Bala
Seven Generations is a term in some cultures that indicates long-term thinking. I think Evan is drawing from an Indigenous / First Nations understanding. It means that you need to think about the impacts of your decisions for the next 7 generations. But 7 generations is also found in the Judeo-Christian tradition. In the Bible, seven generations is a stand-in for eternity or a really long time. And in India, you get married for 7 lifetimes (basically forever).
Brendan Jones
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Gregory's Server
@evan I didn't bother reading it. Kinda tired of Silicon Valley's philosophical whims that are not useful or enlightening. It's just a bunch of boys thinking that they are intelligent producing nonsense for applause.