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Eugen Rochko

It's release day! #Mastodon 4.2 will drop later today. I'm very excited for all the improvements we've been working on since January to become available to all server operators and their users.

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Leisureguy

@Gargron I do hope that one of the improvements is that when one adds an image, the alt-text box automatically and immediately opens with the cursor in the box, ready to enter the alt text. This will finesse three problems:

1. not knowing about alt text
2. knowing about alt text but not knowing how to enter it
3. knowing how to enter it but forgetting in the moment

Making it the natural default removes the structural bias against entering it.

@Gargron I do hope that one of the improvements is that when one adds an image, the alt-text box automatically and immediately opens with the cursor in the box, ready to enter the alt text. This will finesse three problems:

1. not knowing about alt text
2. knowing about alt text but not knowing how to enter it
3. knowing how to enter it but forgetting in the moment

Hartkern

@Leisureguy @Gargron Great Idea! I‘m a constant number three

Leisureguy

@Hartkern @Gargron

The problem is that the current design is biased against alt-text entry in that it puts barriers in the way. By having the cursor placed in the alt-text entry box as soon as the image is posted, the new default is neutral: the user can choose to enter alt-text or not. With the old implementation, often the choice is not made because the interface hides the opportunity for the choice.

Droid Boy :coolified:

@Leisureguy @Gargron That sound like a client problem. What they just releases is the server edition I believe.

Leisureguy

@droidboy @Gargron

I useMastodon using my browser. I assumed that the basic structure of the web interface came from Gargron, with the individual instance able to customize it to some degree (e.g., maximum post length). That, I assumed, was why the overall web interface was much the same from instance to instance.

My suggestion was aimed at the web interface template that the instances receive.

Perhaps my mental picture of this is wrong.

william.maggos

@Gargron

I'm apparently going to need to add ElasticSearch to get the most anticipated new feature, right?

cc @mastohost

Masto.host

@wjmaggos Yes, if you want to perform full text search on your server. But even without ElasticSearch users can opt in to have their posts index in search but it will simply not work locally.

Karim Le Vallois

@mastohost Looks like I’ll be adding ElasticSearch to my personal instance then. Would you also recommend increasing from ‘Moon’?

GunChleoc

@karim @mastohost I has to increase my RAM form 4 to 8 GB for elasticsearch. Fortunately, the system's out of memory manager killed it when I hadn't done the RAM increase so it didn't take the instance down.

Masto.host

@karim Well, ElasticSearch runs on independent resources, so it will make no difference for ElasticSearch if you are using Moon or another plan.

stoamandl 🔰

@Gargron
Great to read.
For everyone who is technically interested in what is new or has been fixed.
github.com/mastodon/mastodon/m

MaryPot

@stoamandl @Gargron

I sure hope you have fixed the curtains of "speed limit" notifications I've been getting on 2 different servers AND an app!

@stux fixed it on Masto.ai - BLESS HIM!

Really annoying when you have been AFK for hours and the curtain of "Speed limit" notifications starts up in the left-hand column even if you haven't touched your keboard other than to enter the password for the computer.

cultdev

@Gargron newb rube question for anyone who cares to answer a newb rube: if i access mastodon primarily through a mobile app, what if anything do i need to do to see/get the upgrade?

keyboard gf

@cultdev Nothing, it's up to your server to do the upgrade. Since you're on mastodon.social I'm sure you'll get it straight away!

Eugen Rochko

@cultdev There are some things you won't see because they're visual changes to the web interface; but things like search and higher quality images will be available through apps without any upgrades.

Droid Boy :coolified:

@Gargron @cultdev When the admin of your instance updates you server, right?

GunChleoc

@droidboy @Gargron @cultdev Exactly. Depending on how busy they are and how complex their setup is, it can take a while.

Evan Prodromou

@Gargron congratulations!

Is there anything on-the-wire that needs to be documented for other ActivityPub implementers?

Urda

@Gargron far out thanks! Also love seeing the :dota2:

Mike McCue

@Gargron congrats on all the excellent improvements!

Eric Vitiello

@Gargron Please say you added support for quote toots.

Joshix

@Gargron 3 releases (excluding <4.1 releases) in 3 days.

Mirko :fediverse:

@Distante@mastodon.social @Gargron@mastodon.social On Firefish i have the option and never use it. I also thought, that i need it. I don't. And i am sure, that counts for many others as well.

Tapohu :mastodon:

@Gargron kenapa hari ini server climatejustice.rocks tidak bisa diakses ya?

Marcus Noble

@Gargron Is ElasticSearch going to be required from this version or is search still an optional feature for instances?

Jan

@Marcus I'm running RC2 and Elastic is still optional.

Marcus Noble

@jan Perfect! That means I can do the upgrade today and worry about getting search configured when I have more time to focus on it 😃

MsDB42 🦘♀🌈🐧

@Gargron Hello Eugen & team; congratulations on this v4.2 Stable milestone. 🎉

***

Rather than users needing to petition individual Instance Admins & Mods for this, would it be possible pls for you to add these into the default Masto s/w config, so that it automatically becomes available fediverse-wide? 🤷‍♀️

Expand the #emojis available in the compose-toots emoji-picker tool, by adding these commonplace #FOSS #Linux ones [which are available in at least some #Instances ]:
:linux:
:kde:
:plasma:
:xfce:
:openSUSE:
:fedora:
:debian:
:gnome:
:firefox:
:firefox_nightly:​
:vivaldi_browser:
:vivaldi_snapshot:
:thunderbird:

Note that my current Instance already has :archlinux: , but IMO that should also be added to the preceding fediverse-wide list to cover individual Instances not already having it.

Thank you 🤞

cc: @shlee @aussocialadmin @AusSocialMods

@Gargron Hello Eugen & team; congratulations on this v4.2 Stable milestone. 🎉

***

Rather than users needing to petition individual Instance Admins & Mods for this, would it be possible pls for you to add these into the default Masto s/w config, so that it automatically becomes available fediverse-wide? 🤷‍♀️

Aus.Social Admin

@MsDropbear84 @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods I believe the better option would be "shared, but moderated" `emojo relay` - similar to twitch's ecosytem having a common shared location people can upload emotes... then admins could just subscribe to those lists

betterttv.com/emotes/global
+
frankerfacez.com/emoticons/wal

GunChleoc

@aussocialadmin @MsDropbear84 @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods Admins already can import emojis from other instances.

I use Linux myself, but I run an instance that's not aimed at nerds, so adding in all this Linux-related stuff wouldn't mean anything to them and just clutter the Emoji UI.

MsDB42 🦘♀🌈🐧

@gunchleoc @aussocialadmin @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods

>Admins already can import emojis from other instances

Oh? Well, in that case, fwiw to the others here [given i'm merely a user & can't do it myself ofc], tech.lgbt has all these #FOSS #emojis, tilde.zone has most of them, & iirc fosstodon.org has at least some of them.

GunChleoc

@MsDropbear84 @aussocialadmin @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods You should only request emojis for an instance that you're on yourself. Servery already import them automatically for display - it's just the capability to use them yourself on the posting box that needs manual work by the admins.

MsDB42 🦘♀🌈🐧

@gunchleoc @aussocialadmin @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods

>You should only request emojis for an instance that you're on yourself

That's exactly what i am doing. I've recently moved to aus.social, & am asking for these #FOSS emojis for aus.social. Previously i was at each of those other Instances i named, which is why i know about them. I also have an account at kolektiva.social, where i have been asking its Mods & Admin for several months about the emojis, but they have 100% ignored me. That's why, earlier today, when i saw Eugen's toot about the new version, & reflecting on how hard it's been to get Mods/Admins at all my prior Instances to help with these emojis, i had the sudden [bad?] idea to ask about maybe doing it systemically rather than on a per-Instance basis.

@gunchleoc @aussocialadmin @Gargron @shlee @AusSocialMods

>You should only request emojis for an instance that you're on yourself

That's exactly what i am doing. I've recently moved to aus.social, & am asking for these #FOSS emojis for aus.social. Previously i was at each of those other Instances i named, which is why i know about them. I also have an account at kolektiva.social, where i have been asking its Mods & Admin for several months about the emojis, but they have 100% ignored me. That's why,...

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Lil O

@Gargron Not a moment too soon, what with X wiping out liberal and leftist accounts en masse.

Miicat_47

Updated #Mastodon to v4.2 :blobcatparty:

It went pretty easily :blobcatsipsmile:

Lety Does Stuff

@Gargron Congrats on the big milestone!!! Also...

Out-of-band reply tags when. 👉👈

Edward

@Gargron is that a version of Mastodon mobile app or server software?

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