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Count Regal Inkwell

@dosnostalgic let's be fair: Windows wasn't letting you "boot into the legacy OS", it was just letting you quit out of the shell, because at the time, it was literally just a fancy GUI shell for DOS, and remained so (for home users, enterprise users got NT in the early 90s) until Windows XP

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Anatoly Shashkin💾

@vinesnfluff No. Windows 9x was not "just a fancy GUI shell for DOS". In fact it was sort of the other way around. It was a full on standalone OS that had legacy DOS support fully integrated in its kernel. But if you wanted an actual MS-DOS you had to reboot. There was nothing to quit to, as DOS 7 that was used as a bootloader was completely gone by the time Win9x was running.

Anatoly Shashkin💾

@vinesnfluff Here's Raymond Chen, the guy who was essentially responsible for DOS in Windows, on how that actually worked:
devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewt

Speaktrap

@dosnostalgic @vinesnfluff More like Raymond CHAD for me, this guy is awesome even though I hate Windows and M$

Count Regal Inkwell

@speaktrap @dosnostalgic Microshaft has done *good work* for Tech.

DirectX as a whole, bringing Multitasking and GUIs to mainstream PCs, the fact that they gave IBM the slip allowing for the entire "PC Compatible" ecosystem, which made computers cheaper over time.

They were never incompetent... They were always evil. "Lawful Evil" to use DnD words :P

Speaktrap

@vinesnfluff @dosnostalgic
DirectX wasn't really needed as there was already OpenGL, which was much superior according to John Carmack, and I trust this guy.
OS/2 had multitasking before Windows.
Liberation of PC platform was a bit more compicated and I am pretty convinced it would take off with or without Gates anyway.

Count Regal Inkwell

@speaktrap @dosnostalgic while I ain't got sources for it, I'd bet a lot of money that the reason Carmack preferred OpenGL was that it allowed him to code closer to the bare metal, which is great if, like Carmack, you're basically a space alien level supergenius.

For everyone else, a library like DX that distanced you from the hardware (especially with how diverse PC hardware had become at that point) and provided a common layer of abstraction between it and software made development of applications infinitely easier.

As for OS/2 I'd have to double check the timeline... But I'm fairly sure it dropped *after* windows 3.0.

... And either way it was codeveloped by the microshaft team and a lot of its code got used on windows too.

@speaktrap @dosnostalgic while I ain't got sources for it, I'd bet a lot of money that the reason Carmack preferred OpenGL was that it allowed him to code closer to the bare metal, which is great if, like Carmack, you're basically a space alien level supergenius.

For everyone else, a library like DX that distanced you from the hardware (especially with how diverse PC hardware had become at that point) and provided a common layer of abstraction between it and software made development of applications...

Binsk :audhd: :firefish: :donor:

@dosnostalgic@mastodon.social @vinesnfluff@equestria.social Ah, Raymond Chen. He had the best blog on his brother emailing actual heads of state to complain about family members and petty grievances. In addition to Raymond’s professional accomplishments, he was a fantastic storyteller as well.

Kristian

@dosnostalgic @vinesnfluff when the black screen told you in orange letters that it was safe to shut the computer off, you literally had a shell, you just had to run the commands to clear the screen. Not saying win95 was just a fancy gui for dos, nor do I remember how functional that shell was given that I was in primary school when I messed around with it, but it was at the very least somewhat functional.

Count Regal Inkwell

@kly @dosnostalgic aaaand now you got me wanting to set up win9x on 86box just to try that

Anatoly Shashkin💾

@vinesnfluff @kly Try it. On a clean install it should do no such thing.

Jernej Simončič �

@dosnostalgic @vinesnfluff @kly It's been years, but IIRC, if you boot to MS-DOS mode, run win to start Windows, then select Shut Down, it'll have a prompt behind the "It's safe to shut down" screen (and you can run cls to actually see it). If you boot Windows normally, there's no prompt.

Count Regal Inkwell

@dosnostalgic @kly Well paint me purple and call me "Twilight", it actually works.

The process goes:
Load Windows -> Exit to DOS mode -> Load windows again -> Shut down -> When in the screen just do "cls"-enter and this happens

Count Regal Inkwell

@dosnostalgic @kly PS this was a clean install. Or, cleanish. I did install the drivers needed to get sound/graphics properly out of 86box, cuz if I was setting this up, I might as well have it ready to screw around with some gaems.

Count Regal Inkwell

@dosnostalgic @kly Bonus: If you type 'win' instead of 'cls' it goes back to windows.

A blank screen with an old windows 95 pattern and a mouse cursor in the middle.
Anatoly Shashkin💾

@kly @vinesnfluff That only happened when you had a shitty DOS driver sitting in memory refusing to shut down. That command prompt was still very much Windows. If you didn't, there's nothing you could do on that screen besides shut your machine off.

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