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deilann

@futurebird

physics uses real numbers with all their infinite expansions just to make calculus go

so they're going to have to use some natural numbers to get me to accept it's not all theory magic

Magnesium

@deilann @futurebird but not only real numbers... Physics also used imaginary numbers, to help explain the magic away

deilann

@magnesium

complex numbers are just a field extension of the real numbers, so are still just as dense, which is the real problem

@futurebird

deilann

@magnesium

my concern is that this totally real not magic science relies on there always being a number between two numbers forever

@futurebird

deilann

@magnesium

Avoided complex analysis by deferring to structure, just like a good algebraist

Honestly, the craziest thing physicists do is modeling

like they take this math stuff and try to make it do things and convince us it's not sorcery

um, I've done some maths and it's not real life

@futurebird

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@deilann @magnesium @futurebird

My best friends mum is a Theoretical Mathematician. I don't pretend to know what that entails.

xebiche

@deilann @magnesium @futurebird

it is also rational problem and a natural one by extension

Cyber Yuki

@futurebird What's the blue glowing device at the end?

EDIT: As @alexis wrote below, it's a mercury vapor rectifier

(used for very high voltage loads. Crazy stuff).

myrmepropagandist

@yuki2501

Was kinda hoping someone here would know?

But it's obviously not magic.

Cyber Yuki

@futurebird My first thought was something radioactive due to the blue glow (typical in fusion reactors), but I have no idea what those tube thingies are :blobconfused:

Cyber Yuki

@futurebird Totally love the rectifier bridge, tho 😁

ehproque

@yuki2501 @futurebird it gets a lot more magical when you look inside the diodes

Alexis, FRIEND OF HORNET

@futurebird @yuki2501 it's a mercury rectifier tube! those served the same role in their day as IGBT transistor packs in a modern variable frequency drive: being able to switch a lot of current very fast without melting, in order to run big industrial motors that need three-phase power to operate

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercur

Wilhelm Fitzpatrick

@alexis @futurebird @yuki2501 Bwah! Solid state rectifiers may be more reliable, but they are not a fraction as cool as this!

Tim

@alexis @futurebird @yuki2501 Did not know specifically about these. Very cool.

I used to use ignitrons at one job for switching high current at high voltage. Also a form of mercury tube.

We used to do about 100 kA at around 5 kV with one ignitron.

Tim

@Wikisteff @alexis @futurebird @yuki2501 Was for a very short time :)

Experiments that use pulsed power use a lot of esoteric technology.

Virginicus

@alexis @futurebird @yuki2501 “Without melting” — that’s a real selling point.

lofi beast to relax/study to

@yuki2501 @futurebird it's a... uh. I've seen it before somewhere? I know it's Definitely not a magical/alchemical alembickckck for transmuting base elements though!

Nazo

@yuki2501 @futurebird I'm real proud of myself on this one. I cropped out that part of the image, did a quick and dirty edit to semi-remove the text, then ran it through TinEye. This came up:

motat.nz/collections-and-stori

It is apparently a "mercury arc rectifier." I don't understand the full details, but it seems it converts really high AC current voltages to still fairly high DC voltages by vaporizing the mercury or something.

Nazo

@rotopenguin @yuki2501 @futurebird Before solid state really took off they came up with some really crazy things. I don't even know what to call a thing like this. It almost feels "steampunk" except of course it's vacuum tube tech instead.

S Aufrecht
@yuki2501@hackers.town @futurebird@sauropods.win @alexis@tilde.zone Vivian Shaw's Dr. Greta Helsing series, which I enjoyed reading, features a haunted mercury-arc rectifier. It's pretty scary, as these things go. 👻​
Coprolite9000

@futurebird
"Some glowing thing" - a mercury arc rectifier!

kemptonsteam.org/collection/me

(Very obsolete now, but once fairly common - used for converting AC to DC for chunky old machinery...)

Coprolite9000

@futurebird
Oh! (I've just noticed that too...)

Mercury arc rectifiers - definitely *not* glowing dieselpunk space-octopuses, honest. Maybe...

Plus I realise I took a photo of one of those exact ones in the page I linked - albeit when it was powered down. Part of me still wishes modern technology was built around vacuum tubes...

/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2

@futurebird love mercury arc rectifiers. I got to see a bank of them running a few years ago during Open House Melbourne down in the Russell St substation. Was the last substation in Melbourne to supply mains DC power to the oldest buildings that still ran on it. Their last DC customer disconnected in the early 2000’s

Rae

@jpm @futurebird I love that they are worth mentioning specifically as the danger :P

/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2

@vk2gpu @futurebird yup there’s the obvious danger of mercury being flung around inside glass using electricity, and the less obvious danger of it being high-power DC in a building that mostly deals with AC now.

I also love electricity distributor’s definitions of “high” and “low” voltage: “high” voltage is 220kV, “mid” voltage is 22kV, “low” voltage is 240V mains.

Yuki Meadows

@jpm @vk2gpu @futurebird there's also another risk, Mercury arc light contains large amounts of UV-C light which can be pretty nasty at close proximity.

Steffen Christensen

@Yuki @jpm @vk2gpu @futurebird They aren't in glass tubes that block the UV?!!?!!?!!!

/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2

@futurebird amazing to see them in action, the brightness of the glowing is proportional to the load. In this video the load bank is switched off, then on again.

moggie

They look like some kind of alien artifact!

@jpm @futurebird

njwatt

@jpm @futurebird I was awed enough without realizing they are blinky

penguin42

@jpm @futurebird Now that's a *CLUNK* as it switches :-)
(and yes mercury arc rectifiers are lovely)

Helpdesk Stu

@jpm @futurebird There are some huge ones at Cockatoo Island, that you used to be able to see, last time I went, they were behind locked doors

KanaMauna

@futurebird These guys were totally not summoning a demon.

INTENTIONALLY blank

@KanaMauna @futurebird Probably would've been better off if they had been 👀

llewelly

@KanaMauna @futurebird

when testing your demon summoning device, do not replace an essential safety device with a screwdriver. Especially not while wearing denim and a cowboy hat.

footnote: There's a series of Fred Saberhagen novels set in a universe in which demons are the result of an interaction between nuclear explosions and an alteration in physics that made magic possible.

spmatich :blobcoffee:

@futurebird to study physics you need to train your mind to hold concepts that aren't necessarily intuitive. It takes loads of practice, just like learning to play the piano and read musical notation. It's hard. You don't get endorphins like you do when you practice exercise. Subscripts, superscripts, brackets, derivatives, integrals, vectors, tensors and more. It takes a lot of dedication to train your mind to hold all those abstract thoughts in a meaningful way. That might be why it's called hard science. It's not just Algebra and Calculus though. It's also about *measuring* stuff, which is the part that makes it not magical. Without measurement, theory is just ideas, which can take any form whatsoever. The fact that abstract ideas can be used to predict stuff that happens in the real world is what grounds physics in reality.

@futurebird to study physics you need to train your mind to hold concepts that aren't necessarily intuitive. It takes loads of practice, just like learning to play the piano and read musical notation. It's hard. You don't get endorphins like you do when you practice exercise. Subscripts, superscripts, brackets, derivatives, integrals, vectors, tensors and more. It takes a lot of dedication to train your mind to hold all those abstract thoughts in a meaningful way. That might be why it's called hard...

myrmepropagandist

@spmatich

OK, Gandalf.

(still sounds like a bunch of magic)

SiliconChemist 🧬💻

@spmatich @futurebird tbf you have to be really intelligent to understand Rick & Morty

gregoryd

@spmatich @futurebird I would like to add a caveat that measurements and units 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘴 also really fucked with lol. Like for units, has anyone actually tried to wrap thier heads around natural units, using unit algebra to derive an equation, and/or the entire process of nondimensionalization? As for measurments - while experiments are (in my opinon) the backbone of physics, our physics is getting absolutely insane where even measurement itself starts having its meaning played with like putty. Like look at this study which was published on nature earlier this year nature.com/articles/s41467-023

@spmatich @futurebird I would like to add a caveat that measurements and units 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘴 also really fucked with lol. Like for units, has anyone actually tried to wrap thier heads around natural units, using unit algebra to derive an equation, and/or the entire process of nondimensionalization? As for measurments - while experiments are (in my opinon) the backbone of physics, our physics is getting absolutely insane where even measurement itself starts having its meaning played...

space nerd 🔭

@spmatich @futurebird 'you have to hold unintuitive abstract concepts in your mind' yeah of course, how else are you supposed to channel the magic?

spmatich :blobcoffee:

@spacekatia @futurebird while I'm on my hobby horse. Let's be clear.
I have no idea how I came to have a mind.
I do know I have one.
I'm also 99.9% certain other people have a mind too. Like yourself.
I know I can train my mind to hold a thought.
I can also use my trained mind to see where there might be a connection between two thoughts I'm holding.
I'm also pretty certain that other people can train their minds to hold the similar thoughts to mine. We can learn to speak the same language for example. Although doesn't mean we have the same thoughts.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that nobody knows how thoughts manifest as minds. We can measure brainwaves. But those are symptoms associated with brain activity not thoughts themselves. Nobody yet knows how, yet we all still clearly each have a mind. You might say our minds are as much a property of the universe as matter and energy. This is in itself miraculous or magical. We should all worship one another as walking miracles.

@spacekatia @futurebird while I'm on my hobby horse. Let's be clear.
I have no idea how I came to have a mind.
I do know I have one.
I'm also 99.9% certain other people have a mind too. Like yourself.
I know I can train my mind to hold a thought.
I can also use my trained mind to see where there might be a connection between two thoughts I'm holding.
I'm also pretty certain that other people can train their minds to hold the similar thoughts to mine. We can learn to speak the same language for example....

Pidge {VK3MJN}

@futurebird what I'm getting from this is that it is in fact black magic

Utility Nerd

@futurebird
"So you're saying there's a thing you can measure at any point in the universe at any time, and you can always get a value for it, but I can never see it."
"Yes, several of them."
"Several."
"Yeah, like maybe a dozen or so?. Some of them point in directions too!"
"Why tf do you need that many of this thing I can't feel or see?"
"Well, for basically anything I tell you about my field (heh), asking 'why' leads to me saying 'so the universe doesn't fall apart or blow up.'"

Doc Scranton
> that circuitry schematic on the upper right is just a bridge rectifier, a common electronics component for converting AC to DC power
> i learned this from bigclivedotcom, a huge man on youtube who looks like merlin
> OH SHIT
Jean-Baptiste "JBQ" Quéru

@futurebird Let's all agree that mercury-arc rectifiers are awesome.

Nilly Robot

@futurebird As a physics student, I can confirm this is the irl version of studying to become a wizard.

Paul Barnfather

@futurebird gotta love a mercury arc rectifier ❤️⚡️👻

Colin H.

@futurebird "Our experimental results change depending on whether we're watching them or not, but that's perfectly normal."

Pia Herself :v_lesbian:

@futurebird Screw these guys. Study CS and come to the dark Unix side instead.

We worship daemons here!

Esmé Ciredutemps

Qp @futurebird c'est quoi la dernière image en bas a droite ?

Ran Mak

@futurebird Come for the lols, stay for the Alt text

Katzedecimal

@futurebird
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!" -- Agatha Heterodyne, maybe
(From "Girl Genius" by Phil & Kaja Foglio)

Jargoggles

@futurebird
"We built this huge circle to tear apart the fundamental building blocks of matter."

Sounds like dark sorcery to me, but okay.

🚲

@futurebird any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from science

Daveography

@futurebird

Hopefully not ruining the joke, but that last glowing thing is a mercury arc rectifier for converting AC power to DC, and are actually really neat.

Our local historical streetcar org actually still used one up until just a few years ago.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercur

Inky :verified_trans:

@futurebird

Classical physics: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MAGIC! ENERGY MUST BE CONSERVED!"

Quantum physics: "Where'd all the antimatter from the big bang go?"
"idfk Magic I guess."

Derek

@futurebird “yeah entropy is inevitable and uncontrollable and whatever, but check out this cool trick I can do with a compressor and some tubes.”

Robert Cassidy

@futurebird that last one is engineering. Physics doesn’t acknowledge DC. We outsource that shit - no known applications.

Burrowing Skylar 🦉🏳️‍⚧️ :lisp:

@futurebird come study chemistry, we have unlocked the secrets of the universe in a tidy grid, it's not magic, we can create new materials never before known to exist and craft miraculous medications, but it's a real science, someone once turned vinyl gloves and vanilla into hot sauce, which is a normal science thing

Raven Luni

@futurebird RF circuits totally are some kind of weird magic though :p

Matrix-Sasuke :ablobcool:
@futurebird as i said before: the difference between science and magic is that with magic you find out that someone's been lying to you, when you look behind the curtain, and with science you can actually understand something
Omnivore

@futurebird

There is only one form of fortune telling that actually (mostly) works:

It's called mathematics.

Insane :birdroll:
@futurebird Still, learning physics is much easier than learning pure maths.
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