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did you know that 100 years ago there were *electromechanical* radio transmitters?

these things are so crazy, you just have to read this

Dark hulking machine, radially symmetrical, faced with shiny brass gauges. very steampunk!

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimeton_Radio_Station#/media/File:Alexanderson_Alternator.jpg
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it started in the late 1800s, people were trying to build generators to power high voltage arc lights. if you tried to use AC (alternating current) to drive an arc lamp, it made a very loud noise at 60hz (or whatever you were using)

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but Professor Elihu Thomson and a certain Mr. Tesla (yes, *that* Tesla) figured out a way to build an AC alternator that could produce 10 amps at up to 12,000 Hz!

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see, a alternator's output frequency depends on 2 things: how fast it turns and how many *poles* you have (basically groups of windings.) to bump up the frequency, you have to put on as many poles as you can physically fit and then run it as fast as you can!

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the Thomson/Tesla design was a bit brute force in that way, so it quickly ran into physical limits--push it any faster, and the rotor would just explode.

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then a guy named Alexanderson came along. he had some experience with the very early radio transmitters made with these special alternators, and he figured out a way to dramatically increase the output power.

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he lightened up the rotor (the rotating part of the alternator), streamlining it to a thin disk.

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here's a cross section of the concept. the rotor shaft (not shown) would be along the bottom of the page. there are two sets of windings. windings "A" generate a large magnetic field, which loops around frame "D" and laminations "H". the disk has slots in it that act like a magnetic switch, modulating the field received by pickup coil "E"

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so now the maximum frequency is controlled mainly by the speed and the number of slots in the spinning rotor. and those can be packed together pretty tightly! it's very similar to how a Hammond organ works.

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the next big problem that Alexanderson had to solve was controlling the speed. any variation caused the output frequency to drift out of the range that the antenna could support. this circuit uses a closed-loop design with a resonant filter to control "saturation coils" (aka magnetic amplifiers) which regulate the power going into the motor that turns the alternator!

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the saturation coil works by using a DC control current to push what is basically an inductor into saturation--meaning it can't carry any more of a magnetic field--so the effective inductance decreases. since inductance is kinda like an AC resistance, this allows the main drive current to flow through it.

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the next problem was to *modulate* the signal with morse code.

for that, Alexanderson used another saturation coil (mag amp). this one *detunes* the giant transformer that collects the current from all the pole windings and matches the impedance to the antenna array. turning off the key causes the frequency to shift enough to reduce the output power by over 90%.

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the resulting transmit power was 200 kilowatts! even by modern standards this is very high power. in the United States, the most powerful AM stations were only a bit more than twice as powerful.

William D. Jones replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime I thought even at 100 kW, you start getting spooky effects like nearby metal fences having an appreciable voltage :D!

Mark replied to William D. Jones

@cr1901 @tubetime I remember back in the late 80s my Telecom Australia apprentice intake went to this AM broadcasting station and antenna maps.app.goo.gl/EM6Luyo98ve2NU
The demonstration that stuck to this day was when looking at the transmission valve (thermionic) from the other side of a glass window if you held a disconnected fluorescent tube at one end and aimed the other end at the valve the fluoro tube lit up.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

(the frequency was quite a bit below standard AM broadcast, typically around 15-20KHz.)

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

incredibly, there is still an *operational* Alexanderson transmitter! it is called SAQ Grimeton and they fire it up twice a year.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

there are so many cool details to this technology i had to leave out. but watch this video. you'll see amazing things like high voltage relays quenched with compressed air, water cooled load resistors, synchronous motors, and really scary 400V switches.

youtube.com/watch?v=lbvsHUBM18

Alexandra Magin 🏳️‍🌈 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime OMG it runs off 2-phase because it's from a very particular time and place in the US.

Alexandra Magin 🏳️‍🌈 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime OMG the air-quenched relays are scary, and they're just right out there.

Josh replied to Tube❄️Time

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Wow what a beast 😲 Great video there!

Arthur Elsenaar replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Thanks for posting this; on my list for my next visit to Scandinavia.

Alexandra Magin 🏳️‍🌈 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime apparently someone made a modern receiver out of relatively equivalent-level technology wireless.org.uk/mechrx.htm

:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse: replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime
Oh that's pretty close to me!
Have thought about visiting it a couple of times, but I never did!

Bob Davidson replied to Tube❄️Time

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There are 400 kW AM transmitters now that are completely solid-state, no tubes even.

nautel.com/content/user_files/

Garrett Wollman replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime (and those 500 kW AM stations only operated on an experimental basis; none were ever licensed for commercial broadcasting, because small radio operators had powerful friends in Congress and they worried that they would lose their audience and network contracts if the networks could cover the entire country with just the six stations they owned)

Garrett Wollman replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime And when Fessenden broadcast voice in 1906, he just wired a carbon microphone in series with the antenna.

Michael Cook replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Does that mean it accidentally uses frequency-shift keying?

oldfartjmb says eh?

@tubetime

I knew some of that, but not in the detail you posted. Thanks Tubey!

zl2tod

@tubetime
Remarkably similar to a Fisher and Paykel washing machine motor which uses lots of poles to achieve *low* speed directly driving the agitator, although the coils are on the stator. Many small magnets are cast into the plastic rotor.

Image borrowed from permies.com/t/18586/Smart-Driv

A Fisher and Paykel washing machine motor modified for use as a wind generator.
Apologies to https://permies.com/t/18586/Smart-Drive-wind-generator
Garrett Wollman

@tubetime Also *that* Thomson. The Thomson-Houston Electric Company was one of the ancestors of GE, and thus the British Thomson-Houston Company, which later formed AEI with Metropolitan-Vickers, was acquired by GEC, absorbed Marconi, and merged with British Aerospace to form BAE Systems, and also thus la Compagnie Francaise Thomson-Houston, which absorbed CSF and turned into Thomson-CSF, which later turned into Alstom, Thales, Technicolor, and STMicroelectronics, among numerous others.

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@wollman ahhh i had a tickle of memory that he was a famous thomson but i forgot to check into it

Delta Wye

@tubetime So freaky electrical fact: some of those arc lights were series circuits (constant current supply in series versus constant voltage supply in parallel).

Those arc streetlights had antifuses similar to what is in some (pre-LED) Christmas/fairy lights.

Eli the Bearded

@tubetime Fun times. Now I'm thinking about one of those spinning disks of lenses mechanical televisions to view the signal.

indyradio

@tubetime Almost no one knows about the mechanical jamming device developed to counter Japanese sonar guided torpedoes. It was welded together from pipes similar to those used in the steam systems of the ship. Unfortunately, Truman was intent on dropping the bomb and dropped it just as the device was being deployed. Otherwise, the war would have ended with a successful naval blockade of Japan. MacArthur's answer to a congressional inquiry about this was (thoughtfully) "I can't say". 😉

David Hotrum

@tubetime I LOVE machinery. I am a retired auto technition

Erik 📻🪐🚲

@tubetime The one in Sweden is still working. They run it ~2 times a year. On new years day and on midsummer day. The callsign is SAQ.
alexander.n.se/en/

Jarl Gullberg

@tubetime I saw the image and instantly thought "Grimeton!" 😆 glad to see I was spot on, it's a fantastically interesting museum to visit.

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