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@hrefna @bahmanm 2 page docs are the winners. TLDR, why, what, how for strategy. TLDR, how, why, what for technical stuff.

In comments / personal notes: ramble away with a created at and expected deprecation time stamp.

And yes I should do better 🤣

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Bahman M.

@mnl @hrefna Oof!

Not arguing w/ the principle but writing those abstract sections is so demanding/draining for me that it makes it impractical in my case 😅

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@bahmanm @hrefna indulging in my llm hype: for technical stuff / work strategy stuff, Claude.ai slays. As someone who can’t talk about anything without writing 2k words at least, they’re lifesavers. Paste my ramblings, ask for 3 point summary, be like “yep that’s it”.

Bahman M.

@mnl I've been so skeptic of LLMs and AI (re privacy and accuracy) that I have yet to use any LLM for the first time! 😅

Go ahead, call me a cave man!

Perhaps too influenced by 2001: A Space Odyssey, Eagle Eye and Terminator series 🤷‍♂️

Hrefna (DHC)

@bahmanm @mnl Heh, I told my boss last week that I would have written a shorter document if I had more time in which to write it :p

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@hrefna @aburka I plan to use the nivenly discourse to send a fairly strongly worded short post with my thoughts about haidra, and why I think the only step I could personally accept from nivenly is to remove haidra from the list of supported projects, and first focus on a proper process for members to give input and approve/veto projects, since I indeed think my membership is directly tied to the supported projects.

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@hrefna @aburka However I neither have the knowledge nor the experience to write up a more productive post about that ""proper process for members" part. I do have very strong feels for both opensource AI projects being a necessity, and these from the ground up, with their main mission, being to counteract the ethical issues of company-backed projects. And as hrefna wrote up quite eloquently, this is neither that, nor is there a serious attempt to engage at all.

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@hrefna @aburka which like, you want our money and not care about any of our feedback? that's really not the point.

Hrefna (DHC)

@mnl

My conclusions here are basically:

1. What nivenly has as a stated goal is a member-driven co-op where individuals can and do drive change. In that model, it isn't what "nivenly does" it is what "we do," together. I'm of the view that this is admirable

2. HOWEVER they don't seem to know what they are doing in order to enable that and are hitting a lot of what I'd call "unforced errors" along the way

3. Some of those unforced errors are things I'd view as existential threats

@aburka

Hrefna (DHC)

@mnl

4. The problem I am seeing is if there is sufficient dissonance between an individual's ability to drive change and the rhetoric, it is going to be a Problem™ and one I have very little patience for, and fixing that is more work than I am signing up for right now (it requires access to a member list and a lot of time).

So it comes out to the same basic conclusion—this is a litmus test—but I think I've gotten there via a different route.

@aburka

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@hrefna @aburka Can you elaborate on 4, especially the "individual's ability to drive change and the rhetoric", and what you are thinking of when you bring up the member list and time)?

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