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kindly shopkeeper

It’s cool that you can just pick up and read a book from 100 years ago with no special tools or procedures or conversion software

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Fern Woodsson 🌿

@hannah I typically use Glasses to decrypt most paper texts.

ZenobiaVayne

@fernwoodsson @hannah sometimes if I can’t find the Glasses utility i just temporarily reduce the user-to-media distance parameter significantly and the effect is similar

Witold Kowalik

@ZenobiaVayne
Some people tend to increase the distance, and neither works for me so I'll stick to the glasses tool. But your advice is very sound to begin with, before switching to the glasses tool.
@fernwoodsson @hannah

Gorgeous na Shock!

@hannah I used to read HG Wells and the Bronte sisters in middle school... they needed a txt to pdb converter to get the files from Project Gutenberg viewable on my Palm IIIe but the process was minimal and well-understood. 😌

your neighbors, the swarm

@hannah if it’s from really long ago you do start to need a conversion process but it’s much more forgiving than old data

Stygian Lizard

@bugsong @hannah I found The Invisible Man hard to read, which tells you just how quickly phrases change. (On the contrary, I Am Legend was a breeze despite it being written around the same time.)

Cainmark 🚲

They are approximately 50 years apart.

Phrases used to take 10 to 20 years to change.

Now it's 6 months to a year.

"It's totally rad to not be hep to jive gabbing if'n that's negative to y'alls lookout. "

Stygian Lizard

@cainmark also, you're right, the copy of IM I have was printed more recently. I mistook that date as the copyright. That explains so much, and I'm glad I brought it up so it could be clarified.

Natasha Nox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@bugsong @hannah Yeah, but it's more like reading Pascal code when you're only used to C++. You can still read it, it just takes a little time to adapt.

kindly shopkeeper

@bugsong @Natanox@chaos.socia i took a selfie in front of that

Me in front of the ea nasir tablet
your neighbors, the swarm

@hannah 🀩 enchanting! two of my heroes in one frame

your neighbors, the swarm

@hannah also, i found out that nanni’s complaint wasn't an isolated incident when looking up this pic, and i had to share that

wikipedia exerpt:

Other tablets
Other tablets have been found in the ruins believed to be Ea-nāṣir's dwelling. These include a letter from a man named Arbituram who complained he had not received his copper yet, while another said he was tired of receiving bad copper.
Esslar2

@hannah I like that you don't have to turn off a book when your plane is getting ready to land. You can just keep reading, no problem.

Richard

@hannah Handwritten stuff from before the 20th century is kind of difficult.

ScriptFurax ⏚ ⸫

@richard_merren
Or hand written stuff from a doctor if any century. Imagine when thesis were handwritten!
@hannah

ΘΡία πίτσα πŸ§€πŸ•πŸ₯“πŸ…

@richard_merren @hannah meh not really, you just need a couple hundred lessons in paleography. On every different language.

ΘΡία πίτσα πŸ§€πŸ•πŸ₯“πŸ…

@richard_merren @hannah meh not really, you just need a couple hundred lessons in paleography. On every different language.

@stevewfolds

@richard_merren @hannah Transcribed a handwritten journal of a woman born in 1890, a 1941 Mexico trip, made copies for her grandchildren. She should have written travel guides.

patrick m.

@hannah @YakyuNightOwl I prefer to pick up a book that has been reprinted, so I don’t accidentally tear the 100-yr old paper and binding, but yes it’s totally cool 😎

MizzBassie

@KayJanes @hannah
I meant you might need a dictionary to read some of the older books. 😺

KayJanes

@MizzBassie Oh, now I understand. I was thinking of Jane Austin and the Brontes. @hannah

MizzBassie

@KayJanes @hannah
And Dumas and Flaubert and Sienkiewicz and so many others.

Lot⁴⁹

@hannah Also you can loan it to a friend, and maybe even get it back after they've read it.

Optional

@12thRITS @hannah and you don't even need to tell the bookstore to decouple it from your identity before giving it away!

Lot⁴⁹

@Optional @hannah I left a Kindle on an airplane once. Amazon told me that, yes they knew who had it, but no they wouldn't tell me. Nice!

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@hannah
Recipes from 175 years ago take some compiling

Purple

@asbestos @hannah at least on some places, the time on old recipes is mesured on number of Lord's Prayers. At least so I have been told.

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@PurpleShadow

@hannah
One cookbook I have from 1840 or so has that weird S that runs into the other letters. And says things like "mix such that it becomes hearty" measurements are in cups, palms, dashes, nutshells. Rainwater is called for

Jos Geluk

@asbestos @hannah American recipes are hard to follow for Europeans, and vice versa

Karl Auerbach

@hannah The US National Archives would violently agree with you. They have to deal with everything from punched cards with round holes (really!) to 7 track magnetic tapes to Zip drives and punched paper tapes (lots of formats.)

It is amazing how unstable a lot of modern media is - like DVDs. I tend to put my longest term stuff onto spinning disk drives with SATA interfaces. I haven't had problems with those (at least not since the old problem with head-to-platter "sticktion" was resolved.)

ΘΡία πίτσα πŸ§€πŸ•πŸ₯“πŸ…

@karlauerbach @hannah hey archivists need work.
Also the new postgrads about digitization of archives are amazing.

β˜… Amy Star β˜… :verified:​

@hannah and they're usually out of copyright, so you don't need to pay some shell corp in the Bahamas for the right to read the work of an artist that's been dead since the 1960s

Gregory Hays

@hannah I have one printed in 1502 that doesn't even require a login and password!

Gregory Hays

@hannah It's a Latin edition of Lucan published by Aldus Manutius. One of the first pocket-sized books.

Privatised Sentient Water

@hannah Bonus features. Never crashes. Infinite battery life isn't deleted once you stop paying Jeff Bezos. Smells wonderful.

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@hannah Well unless you count language I guess, but that 'software' changes very slowly.

Laurens 🧒

@SocialistStan @hannah I can read Dutch, English and German without much difficulty, but I would need to install extra software or updates for reading more than the basics of French, Spanish and Italian 😬

remote procedure chris

@hannah this post made a tech bro snap awake in a cold sweat

IllTemperedCaviar

@hannah I like how if I enjoy it, I can hand it to a friend to read without being branded a pirate πŸ΄β€β˜ οΈ.

Kevin R Jones

@hannah @gl33p Though if one is blind they still need to OCR scan it.

Andy

@hannah If only you could do that with books written nowadays. :( Now, all the books are locked down with DRM and it's extremely difficult to own anything, get it unprotected, or read it in a reading environment that you want to use. @jaybird110127

Cheradenine Zakalwe

@hannah@posts.rat.pictures at 500 years it starts to be a bit of a problem. πŸ˜„

Tally P.
@hannah I'm clinging to my paper and cardboard with ink all over my shelves in my library with everything in me. I imagined the censorship that could happen with digital works or simply making them "disappear" because of some b.s. reasons by the companies. Once it's been printed, it's out there for the enterprising, determined person who wants to find it and take it home to read. Not two clicks and something on your "saved" list is abruptly gone.
Amgine

@hannah

George McDonald's various romances are amazingly challenging, with dialogues in the many contemporaneous dialects of Scots English/Gaelic, often multiple in a single conversation.

Which is not unlike real life today, at times.

Vrimj

@hannah

Unfortunately 100 years old books might be subject to the acid paper issue so you can still have a permanent data retrieval error. 1800s or older though and it is probably safe.

Rita Singer

@Vrimj Ugh. 1920s brittle book pages are the worst! They literally snap in half like a filo pastry wafer.

𝔼k 𝓋ℴ𝓃 π•‚π”«Γ€π”­π”­π”’π”«π”Ÿπ”’π”―g

@hannah funny all that grad school training in theology, that years of squinting at old german script and fifteen years of academic history -- all that, and i still cant "just pick up an old book"

Ken Tindell

@hannah I just realized 100 years ago isn’t the Victorians but the Roaring Twenties. I feel old.

uknzguy

@hannah were monks the original media converters?

Emil "AngryAnt" Johansen

@Uknzguy @hannah Perhaps closer to the original LLM-based translators, given the bias they applied to their writings ;)

Oblomov

@hannah (unless it crumbles in your hands as you turn the pages ;-))

LΓ‘szlΓ³ Kupcsik

@hannah
Yupp, and not only you don't need to charge it, it also locks up some captured carbon. So it's "cool" indeed X-D

Rita Singer

@hannah This book for children is 99 years old.

German kids book about bunny school. On the verso, the story is presented in SΓΌtterlin typeface, on the recto a cute illustrations of bunny kids not being happy bunnies in egg painting class.
varx/social

@hannah Amazing how at least half the replies are BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS WEIRD CORNER CASE.

Ah yes, my tribe. πŸ˜†

chris
@hannah @lanodan Well, you probably
can't if you're blind. The oldest braille book I've seen was a copy of
the Gospel of Matthew from the early 1930s. It wasn't in good shape
circa 1990 when I found it. Braille on thermoform has even less of a
lifespan.

OTOH I can download a book from Project Gutenberg produced 40 years ago
and read it with `less`.
@hannah @lanodan Well, you probably
can't if you're blind. The oldest braille book I've seen was a copy of
the Gospel of Matthew from the early 1930s. It wasn't in good shape
🚲

@hannah they likely turned yellow and got partly eaten tho

14mission

@hannah Just 100? I got a look at an 1000-year-old book once, and it still worked. They wouldn't let me pick it up though!

Cyber Yuki

@et_andersson @hannah LOL at the punchline. He has problems reading a book and the instructions are in a book with exactly the same problems πŸ˜…

"Oh yeah we hadn't thought of that." 🀣 It's like a computer with the manual in PDF form, and to read the manual you need the computer to be running already. So relatable.

(That must explain why books were so limited and attached to chains. High maintenance equipment there. 🀭)

Purple

@hannah Or copies from books from over 500 years ago, although then the most difficult thing is to understand the language.

@DBG3D@mas.to

@hannah You need to know the language if you don't know it though πŸ€·πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ

Michael Brandtner

@hannah Well, kind of. 100 year old German books are mostly written in Fraktur typeface that is quite hard to read if you're not used to it.

stfn :raspberrypi: :python:

@hannah I felt this when I was reading Three Men in a Boat

iAmAnEngarneer

@hannah i was at the getty villa and with a causual engineers science education picked up enough latin to read a military diploma, and was shocked realizing i could read it from so long ago.

georgebaily

@hannah there's a kind of minimum system requirement... try giving said book to a non book person..

ijk64

@hannah but surely it might need a firmware upgrade like re-glueing the spine or repairing the covers. It’s possible there is some dataloss due to pages coming loose. I won’t even talk about the software upgrades (editions) you might be missing out on.

Dunwich Type Founders

@hannah yes but a person in the developing world can open a new ebook without spending $90 for a book published on expensive paper and printed in Belgium, $60 for shipping from Europe, and then try to find space for it in a small apartment. Ebooks have tremendous value and not offering them is unethical.

jack will miss this server

@hannah I dated a historiographer who could easily read books and manuscripts going back to 800 years old, if they were in Latin, Spanish, or (less fluently) another Romance language

Nikola Orsinov [Joseph Grimaldi]

@hannah@posts.rat.pictures
Wellllllll
Hehe
Linguists are a special kind of human with that conversion software installed, right?

Cus early versions of english or german, or dead languages like latin
Tey are sooo deprecated

A Sweet Gentleman

@hannah 100 years ago? You're thinking small. I've read letters written 600 years ago.
And if I could read cuneiform I'd certainly enjoy perusing some clay tablets from 2000 BC.πŸ˜β€‹

Dawn TΓ₯ke πŸŒ™:sparkletrans:

@hannah
You might have to go, "wtf is with this jank font?" But yeah. I get ya.

paul
@hannah Unhackable, and no risk of ransomware.
SylviaSchouwenaars

@hannah so true. And so nice to sit in a cosy corner and forget about everything. Just read. πŸ₯°

Trippen

@hannah we must actively show and give support to libraries.

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