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Brewster Kahle

Now the Washington lawyers want to destroy digital collections of scratchy 78rpm records, 70-120 year old, built by dedicated preservationists online since 2006.

Who benefits?

reuters.com/legal/music-labels

33 comments
Chadee the Dream Witch πŸŒ• 🌊

@brewsterkahle That falls under cultural destruction and destruction of history doesn't it?

There is no profit motive here and any reasonable judge should throw out the case.

Sadly we have a lot of unreasonable judges that don't value culture or history.

Natasha Nox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@matoakit @brewsterkahle Is it by any chance still online? Would be too bad if some crawlers would download that stuff and distribute it via torrents...

Chadee the Dream Witch πŸŒ• 🌊

@Natanox @brewsterkahle I think we're getting back to everything being torrents anyway because capitalist assholes are quite unreasonable in every way.

Natasha Nox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@matoakit @brewsterkahle Of course they are, you can't argue with any of the 7 deadly sins (or the embodiment of 'em). Pirating can be an ethically viable solution if done right, and I trust pirates more than our broken system.
Preserving our digital culture nowadays means working against the system, not within it.

zeruch

@brewsterkahle The RIAA (and MPAA) were clients of mine when I worked in "anti-piracy" (a categorically broken and/or stupid industry if ever there was one) and the petty, reactionary, scrooge on meth personalities there were utter gobshite on a good day...good days were rare.

They are utter turd-tsunamis.

MJ

@brewsterkahle boggles the mind how limited some are

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@brewsterkahle "The lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed.""

Except we know full well the moment it becomes more profitable for them to destroy the media, they will. We've already seen it with several media conglomerates in the last 8 months.

This lawsuit reeks of bullshit.

llywrch

@brewsterkahle I guess the Internet Archive is threatening their possible but unrealized profits. That the music industry might leave money on a table that doesn’t yet exist.

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@llywrch @brewsterkahle

It’s not about profits, it’s about control. It’s been about totalitarian control since the Powell Memo.

John Levineβœ…

@brewsterkahle Some of the songs in the complaint are considerably less than 70 years old. This isn't going to go any better than CDL did.

clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’›

To anyone as ignorant as I:

"CDL" is "controlled digital lending" and this is how that lawsuit has gone so far (as of October last year):

blog.archive.org/2022/10/17/th…

The publishers seem to be arguing that all digital lending is a potential threat to their business and libraries have no right to do it. That's as expected. It seems the lawsuit has not reached a summary judgement, reached a settlement, nor gone to court yet?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controll…

@spamvictim @brewsterkahle

Dave Spector

@brewsterkahle aren’t they out of copyright and in the public domain???

AccordionBruce

@Dhmspector @brewsterkahle
Everything with copyright is overly-complicated, so what do I know?

But I think things are likely to be locked up unless they were produced before 70 years ago

So the rolling date of β€œout of copyright” is now 1923 (moving forward every year)

#copyright #music

Simon Templar

@brewsterkahle Doesn’t stuff this old enter the public domain at some point??

Jonathan Hendry

@brewsterkahle

Can you give a copy of the archive to the Library of Congress or Smithsonian just in case?

It would be fun if the LOC posted the archive online, causing the suit against the Internet Archive to be moot or a pyrrhic victory at best.

That Anonymous Coward

@brewsterkahle

Their lawyers.

"The lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed.""

Anyone watched Willow (tv series) this week oh wait that was a tax write off.

Because the archive exists, there will be no market for their "remasters" meant to extend the copyrights another 150 years because you call it a remaster & restart the clock.

Just happy the artists will be paid... oh wait...

Fan of Shared Truth & Empathy

@brewsterkahle @deborahh Information wants to be free… to provide profit increasing exponentially annually to the wealthiest owners who can buy everything they desire.

Tim @toolbear#spicy@ Taylor πŸŒ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈβœŠ

@brewsterkahle
Also, we cannot rely on centralized archival sites for much longer. This is another #Fediverse service opportunity with lots of technical overlap with a decentralized CDN (Content Delivery Network) that would be useful for ALL Fediverse services dealing with large media files (like Peertube or Pixelfed or others, even micro-blogging attachments).

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@toolbear @brewsterkahle Not only pirate - but record everything too! For record of history, for when the history is written by the victors or time later when it is reflected upon we can see what actually happened

Tim @toolbear#spicy@ Taylor πŸŒ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈβœŠ

@rm4
Agreed.

As an aside, I saw neat twist on that aphorism:

> History is written by the literate

Which I like quite a lot. It's straightforward to connect that to the OG aphorism as victors get the privilege that affords the literacy & luxury of time to write the histories.

Edit to add: but it doesn't feel as absolute and closed off as the OG statement; it feels like it includes a glimmer of hope for elloquency in the opposition / resistance to change minds so long as we put in the effort to write the counter narrative.

@rm4
Agreed.

As an aside, I saw neat twist on that aphorism:

> History is written by the literate

Which I like quite a lot. It's straightforward to connect that to the OG aphorism as victors get the privilege that affords the literacy & luxury of time to write the histories.

Edit to add: but it doesn't feel as absolute and closed off as the OG statement; it feels like it includes a glimmer of hope for elloquency in the opposition / resistance to change minds so long as we put in the effort to write...

Tim @toolbear#spicy@ Taylor πŸŒ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈβœŠ

@rm4
More to your point: I'm also reminded of the advice from Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior (relaying advice from people living through / in regimes that are more authoritarian than our current baseline) about journaling and/or keeping record so that you can keep grounded in the truth as the regime disappears information or gradually corrupts the historical record.

C₆H₁₂O₆

@brewsterkahle Records are subversive anyway as they don’t provide recurring revenue streams. A concept like β€žbuy once and listen as often as you likeβ€œ is a dangerous idea and people shouldn’t be reminded something like that ever existed. 😈

Carl-Henrik Barnekow

@brewsterkahle Aren’t those past copyright protection thus making them β€œfree”?

Daydream Soundtrax

@brewsterkahle the minute they filed suit and unleashed headlines across the internet, millions of people who weren't aware of the collection are now checking it out (and hopefully downloading it)

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