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Tube🍂Time

well, I broke down and put in a spinning rust disk. the installer is much happier now and is copying files.

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Norman Wilson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Did spinning Rust make things Go?

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

spinning rust refuses to boot when the SCSI ID is set to 0. I can set it to 1 and it will boot partway but the fstab is configured for 0 so it won't work.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

I imaged the drive using the ZuluSCSI initiator mode, but even with the ZuluSCSI the firmware refuses to boot from SCSI ID0. weird.

Brian Danger Hicks replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime the one part of the spinning rust drive you didn't want it to emulate

sam :pizza_pineapple: replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime might not be helpful, as it’s a fairly different machine, but I recently watched this video of someone getting a SPARCclassic up and running off a bluescsi v1, and they seemed to have a good reason to use scsi id 3 youtu.be/SMz2y-wdbzs

Norman Wilson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I have a vague memory of some early Sun stuff usurping SCSI ID 0, but can't recall the details.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

yay it works now! i tried SCSI ID 1.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

so i tried placing a drive image at SCSI ID 3 and *it boots as SD(0,0,0)vmunix* wtaf lol. seems like Sun cheated and swizzled some SCSI IDs around.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

anyway. trying an older Solaris installer and it is really surprised at the date -- could it really be 10,405 days after 1995?

john spurling replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime the network is the computer, and the computer is a time machine

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

omfg they swizzled it 🤦‍♂️

nick replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime yeah so external drives used to ship with all the little jumpers off (ID=0) and if you plugged that into your Sun4 it wouldn't boot and then you'd call the service department ... so they wanted to make the main disk some other ID but everyone assumes the boot volume is sd0 ... so some evil genius came up with this plan.

The *good* external drives had a little pushbutton wheel thingy on the back to change their ID :-)

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

SunOS 4.1.4 says it can't possibly be the year 2023: "WARNING: preposterous time in filesystem -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!"

sorry SunOS, there's nothing i can do to fix 2023.

zarbet replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I booted a NeXTstation in Sep 2022 and just had to check whether I tweeted this preposterous message or tooted it. Didn't know SunOS does it too!
Thank you for the swizzle table, I'm sure I'll lose it but it's useful to me anyway.

spmatich :blobcoffee: replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I agree with the sun engineers. Why is something with a 20MHz CPU and 1gb of spinning rust (probs not the original, much more likely to ve 500MB) even powered on in 2023?

nick replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime The best bit about this message is that I guarantee you there are still Sun4s in production somewhere.

Zsolt replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime yours was the best account on Twitter, and now it’s the best account on Mastodon. Entertaining, and educational. Thank you for existing.

bob replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I've been putting off replacing the nvram in both my ipx machines :(

Hubert Figuière replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime they never thought it would run 30 years later...

Tim Makarios replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime
One day it'll be 2023.

1994: Bah! That's preposterous!

Reminds me of this comment in leapsecs.txt in libtai:

"Note for parsers: Negative leap seconds will probably never happen, but the year 10000 will happen. Please don't contribute to the Y10K problem."

cr.yp.to/libtai.html

Andre replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Does SunOS 4 still complain about a preposterous time after you've set the system clock to 2023?

Johannes Silverfox 🦊 replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Just seeing that terminal font made me think Solaris..I think it’s still being used in 11 or whatever they’re on now?

Kevin Karhan :verified: replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime it's pre-#Y2K compliant and AFAIK #SunOS that low doesn't even support #ZFS...

Jan Rychter replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime TBF, it isn't wrong. These are preposterous times.

Jan Rychter replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime That font brings back memories. I can still viscerally feel the slowness!

James Henstridge replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime This is probably the code triggering the warning:

github.com/csrg/original-bsd/b

It seems to be checking for dates too far in the past (before 1975, by the look) rather than too far in the future. I wonder if it is reading a zeroed sector on the disk where a unix timestamp would be in a running system?

echopapa ☑️ replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime mhm, seems this SunOS won't run until timer overflow...

Keep on and wish you best luck!

SerTapTap (She/Her)🎮🏳️‍⚧️ replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime haha, I forget the name but there's at least one dos game that if you launch after a certain date it starts up with "YEAAHHHH STILL PLAYING (game) in 2023!!!"

retroprom replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime You can probably patch it! 🤔​

ottO replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Honestly just kudos for Sun for getting ‘preposterous' in there
#WOTD

The Last Psion | Alex replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Wonder what the last non-preposterous date is according to SunOS?

Dustin replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime the sort of thing that I will say out loud in the lab, “and this is why I have gray hair!” 🤣

Norman Wilson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Yes! I remember that more clearly now.

echopapa ☑️ replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime as far as I remember this is also on the SPARCstation 2, SLC, ELC, IPC and IPX

nick replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Oh, yeah, that rings a bell, zero and three are swapped in Sun4 ...

obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/scsi_info.

hayalci replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime ah it's great to see that lovely console font again.

Michael Thompson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Isn't the boot drive SCSI ID set to 3 on early Sun systems?

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