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You know what's more concerning than Meta/Threads joining?

Bots, like/follow rings, and spam.

See, even though Threads doesn't federate yet, they painted a big red target on the fediverse by announcing future support.

Those annoying twitter crypto bots and "I made $750 via cashapp" spam on IG are likely going to make there way here.

We need to prepare.

I'm building a @pixelfed service similar to Akismet to share intelligence in a privacy friendly way, will share more deets soon 😎

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dansup

@pixelfed The fediverse is a victim of its own success in this way, the more users that join, the more of a target for spam and abuse

dansup

@pixelfed There is no fediverse project that can detect follow bots or like bots, and doing so would require a lot of data and refactoring for it to be useful, even IG can't do this at scale

We can use innovative techniques and behavioural analysis to help detect this, but it remains a challenging problem

"Buy mastodon followers" will become an industry of shady services with sleeper accounts on various fediverse instances (they might already exist)

Darnell Clayton :verified:

@dansup @pixelfed This is actually a huge issue across all social networks. I remember @th3j35t3r detected fake accounts created on #CounterSocial (counter.social) from hostile nations & spam farms last year according to memory.

Counter Social suspended the hostile/spam bots (using an algorithm I think) & had all of the accounts manually reviewed to make sure legit accounts were not deleted.

It’s a long & tedious process.

FlyingMana

@dansup @pixelfed follow and like bots are a lot easier to detect then it seems.
They have usually one of 2 purposes.

1. gather followers for selling it later

2. execute the Spam via Name, Description or pinned post.

The first group is not very much annoying for most, as many do not realize its spam.
The second is easy to detect, because the spam and especially the url is following an easy detectable pattern

Claudius

@dansup
It's the "Mac does not have viruses" debate from the early 2000s. When it had no users, there was practically no malware. Targets have shifted today (phishing and encrypting trojans and stuff like that) and you are at risk regardless of operating system.

Malware follows wherever people go.

Renaud Chaput

@dansup @pixelfed Have you read renchap.com/blog/post/evolving on those topics? I think this could fit your vision for Pixelfed as well!

dansup

@renchap @pixelfed Great post! We should chat more about this sometime!

Jesse Baer 🔥

@dansup @pixelfed Thank you, this has been my sense too, though I've been focused on the harassment angle. You put it more succinctly and are actually working on a solution - so again, thank you!

Santiago Lema :amiga:

@dansup @pixelfed Also shouldn’t we normalize manually accepting followers and make it the default ? Except for maybe some celebrities there is no sense in letting someone follow you unless you read a least a short description and a few public posts

Paul Hulford

@dansup I’m not sure that Meta will actually federate. Part of me believes they announced it to placate those who are skeptical of Meta and are hoping that people forget.

FlyingMana

@dansup @pixelfed they already are, already were before the announcement.

but for now they are often blocked very fast on instance level.
And with this, and the potential of many instances with public registration might deploy spam detection, they will go below the profitability threshold fast enough

Adrian Lansdown

@dansup @pixelfed do you currently do anything or have ideas on how to stop/limit scraping of data/images?
Like the suggestion that must of Flickr has been scraped ignoring any licenses.

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