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Aral Balkan

My response to @fedora’s proposal to implement opt-out data collection in Fedora, which was marked as hidden and “flagged as inappropriate: the community feels it is offensive, abusive, to be hateful conduct or a violation of our community guidelines.”

discussion.fedoraproject.org/t

Posting it here, on a space I own, where it cannot be marked as anything by Fedora/Red Hat/IBM:

#fedora #surveillance #privacy #ibm #redHat #telemetry

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Aral Balkan

@fedora “If this is a feature you believe people want, make the toggle switches off by default so folks can excitedly tell you how much they want to send data to Fedora/Red Hat/IBM.

Also, is this a feature in Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

…”

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#fedora #surveillance #privacy #ibm #redHat #telemetry

Aral Balkan

@fedora “…If not, and it’s something people will absolutely love, I hope it will be implemented for all your paying enterprise customers also. After all, I’m sure you’d hate for folks to think you believe corporations deserve privacy whereas people don’t. I have no doubt it will go down great with large corporations (they love profiling people so I guess that means they’d love getting profiled too, right? Unless they’re hypocrites, of course).”

#fedora #privacy #ibm #redHat

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Claudius

@aral post seems to be visible again, but I can confirm that it showed up as "hidden" just a few minutes ago.

Fabio Valentini

@claudius @aral It was flagged by an automatic system as "potentially inappropriate", not sure why the UI lies and claims it was human decision to flag it. I manually approved the post so it's visible again.

TudbuT :v_bi:

@aral this response is amazing, thank you. please repost it from time to time to see if it will happen again.

Dieu

@aral @fedora maybe they're still trying to make up their minds about whether they are, in fact, hypocrites.

Matthew Booth

@aral @fedora Incidentally, it is a feature in RHEL. We (Red Hat engineering) use data from it to prioritise work all the time: it's really useful in working out what's going to be most beneficial to our customers. Not sure what the default policy is, but we definitely don't get data from everybody. When using the data, we need to be mindful of industry segments who always switch it off/don't enable it (whichever applies).

I don't understand blocking your comment, btw.

Aral Balkan

@fedora Update: Looks like my post on Fedora’s forum has been unflagged now.

StephOne

@aral @fedora they ran telemetry on it and saw people liked it

DELETED

@aral @fedora okay, that one I know I boosted, and yes, I cannot find it on my timeline...hmm

Billy Smith

@aral @fedora

This is an issue that will be of direct concern to RedHat's and IBM's stockholders. :D

It is well-known that "Opt-Out" mailing lists are worthless.

The only real value is with "Opt-In" lists.

By making the tracking Opt-Out, they are directly reducing the shareholder value, which is the exact opposite of what they are being paid to do.

Everyone receiving a salary that is directly involved with this situation is now personally liable to shareholder lawsuits. :D

Billy Smith

@aral @fedora

Buy some stock, not so that you can reap the dividends, but so that you have a "Right To Sue" the C-suite personally over their decisions... :D

As Quell said "Make it personal." :D

f.rift

@aral @fedora I find their suggestion of collecting telemetry offensive, abusive and a violation of greater community guidelines than those of merely one forum; have at, good sir. Have at.

ged
@aral so this rules out "fedora is not red hat," right?

@fedora
Nomad Soul

@aral @fedora
seems like that having a corporation based, for-profit baked distro was a very bad idea from the start. Thank you Fedora for the good times, but for my next setup i'll go for a real community based distro.
#fedoraLove #goodbye #debian

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