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O. Simard-Casanova in English

@feditips @ThePlant @Mastodon What about answering to the things I actually said, instead of answering to strawmen?

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Fedi.Tips 🎄

@osc @ThePlant

Any company that carries out mass surveillance is not to be trusted.

You can't compartmentalise that kind of behaviour away.

Fedi.Tips 🎄 replied to O. Simard-Casanova in English

@osc @ThePlant

Objecting to mass surveillance is extremist? 😱

Liam replied to Fedi.Tips

@feditips @osc so you never use a single thing Microsoft have contributed time or money towards?

Fahri Reza replied to Liam

That's the very definition of too big to fail, sure they spy on you but have you not benefit from them even a bit?

@ThePlant @feditips @osc

Shanie replied to Liam

@ThePlant @feditips @osc What kind of hostile question is that?

Here, I can do that too: Because you use GitHub, you deserve everything Microsoft throws at you.

See? That doesn’t help.

Here’s the facts: Non-profits trusting for-profits has historically not worked out well for non-profits because they have fundamentally different goals. To accept money from them is trusting them in some capacity, and that money absolutely influences decisions.

O. Simard-Casanova in English replied to Fedi.Tips

@feditips @ThePlant Once again, can you answer to the things I actually said, instead of answering to strawmen?

unexpectedteapot replied to O. Simard-Casanova in English

@osc @feditips @ThePlant absolutely not an extremist position to hold prejudice against companies that spy on, leak information of and break users' trust. Additionally, these open source projects are beneficial to these profit-driven companies. From open-washing, to attempts at patenting (remember when Facebook tried to patent React?), to other decisions that come from a conflict of interest (Chrome being used as a vehicle for Google to control the web like nerfing adblockers, FLoC, and more..)

Γιάννης Εκελδεκερές replied to O. Simard-Casanova in English

@osc In 2017 Meta (Facebook then) did not lift a finger to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar that was being incited on their web site. This is pretty well documented by the UN and Amnesty International. Not wanting any relation with the product of that organization is not extremist. The extremist position is to say everything is fine when we have so much evidence to the contrary. @feditips @ThePlant

Sally Strange replied to O. Simard-Casanova in English

@osc @feditips @ThePlant this is a hell of a cop-out from a purely debate perspective

thomholwerda

@feditips @osc @ThePlant I'm curious - what platforms do you use? Unless it's like Linux or BSD or whatever, you're using a mass surveillance platform. Apple, too, collects vast amounts of data about its users, and lets the CCP control all of Apple users' data in China.

thomholwerda replied to Fedi.Tips

@feditips @osc @ThePlant Good! The fewer Windows/macOS users, the better. 😅

DELETED replied to Fedi.Tips

@feditips @thomholwerda @osc @ThePlant

Microsoft first began contributing to the Linux kernel in 2009

Erin Nivelet replied to Fedi.Tips

@feditips
@thomholwerda @osc @ThePlant So you do use things Microsoft work on: Microsoft is one of the biggest contributor of Linux kernel:

theregister.com/2012/04/03/mic

Shanie replied to Erin

@erin @feditips @thomholwerda @osc @ThePlant I remember when Microsoft lost the court battle for Internet Explorer and being a monopoly. It’s not hard to imagine that they do this because it’s good footing for them to not look like a monopoly. “See? We help the open source movement stay just competitive enough!”

At least that comes with no strings attached thanks to the license. I think that’s the critical part.

Seth Pilgrim replied to thomholwerda

@thomholwerda “well you’re already being watched, why do you care if even more people watch you, and farm even more data about you” :upsidedown:

@feditips @osc @ThePlant

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