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fsniper

@dethos pretty curious. Will Mozilla rent out this feature , like for preventing adblockers for any particular customer?

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@dethos it definitely feels sus, though I could see some potentially reasonable use-cases. Like banking websites, where maybe some shifty extensions should be disabled.

But this needs to be done with the consent of the user and making sure that the user is well-informed about what's going on. Clearly that is not the case. Sigh.

Gen X-Wing

@rysiek @dethos Could easily throw up some big warning or what not. Say “this is a bank, want to disable all extensions?”.

This feature reeks of thought crime and big brother. Not the shitty TV show, but the nineteen eighty-four kind.

Ariadne Conill 🐰

@rysiek @dethos ah yes so all the sites who want adblock to not work will declare themselves as an extension free zone

Stephan

@ariadne @rysiek @dethos first, as mentioned in the article, the ad blocker uBlock is a trusted addon, and thus not blocked by the new feature. It appears that it will only affect add-ons that aren't checked by Mozilla. Second, it's up to Mozilla which websites are protected, not up to the website owners themselves.

Gonçalo Valério

@durchaus @ariadne @rysiek regardless of the current config, what matters is the capability that the vendor is giving himself and the way it was communicated.

The list can easily change overtime to accommodate Mozilla's needs (or their "customers" needs).

CauseOfBSOD :fediverse:

@dethos@s.ovalerio.net well shit guess ill have to start patching the source and building it myself

Porquerias | 1312 | 🏴🌵 G@M

@dethos I am wondering if this puts FF over the bar of invasiveness Chrome and Edge set as a baseline, seems like it is creeping towards it at least.

DMV Weather :vaflag: :dcflag:

@dethos Would this also affect any Firefox-based browsers like LibreWolf?

betty

@rvaweather@dmv.community @dethos@s.ovalerio.net technically not really, as one can disable such functionality from their forks. it's not hardcoded like most of the functionalities from chrome, surprisingly.

however, it is still a pretty scummy attitude and puts a legitimate fear as to what may be next.

trisk (ceasefire now!)

@dethos it would be fine if the extension was some sort of malware but excuse me? what if it blocked uBlock or Decentraleyes? 🙈🙉🙊

I'm still rebuilding my internet news network after quitting Reddit. The outrage would have happened weeks before the release and it could have been reverted had the discussion been on there.

Michael

@dethos you know what, I was this close to switching from Chrome to Firefox. What's the point now?

Marcos

@abcdefgary@linux.social @dethos@s.ovalerio.net You can use LibreWolf it's a fork of firefox with a lot of things disabled.

mirabilos

@dethos is there anything that Mozilla doesn’t fuck up twice, thrice and a forth time over?

Doug

@dethos what a bizarre feature, and how terribly communicated.

And not long after the AI debacle on MDN too.

What's happening at Mozilla? 😔

Hugo 雨果

@dethos This sounds like the kind of feature you'd want for prohibiting ad-blockers on YouTube of stuff like that.

allo

@dethos You needed to remove a whitelist entry to have your extensions work on AMO for quite some time.
Before knowing it I always wondered why my mouse gestures did not work, not realizing that my tracking blockers also were useless on their site.
Personally I think problems started to become serious with the obligation to get your extension signed by Mozilla. Signing is a good thing, but not with one single CA.

Dim Simple

@dethos This is a bit weird. If I put my Devil's Advocate hat on, I can imagine that this could be useful in a corporate environment where there are many restrictive IT policies (and also many malicious extensions). It's still a bit unsettling though. I hope there's a way to turn it off. The confidentiality part is odd too.

junho8

@dethos@s.ovalerio.net what... And I can't state this enough... the FUCK

ator robot

@dethos
Interestingly, the feature exists in non-advertised and less developed form in regular 114.2 (at least). There is a partial-duplicate article for it here: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/a

I had a look at my `extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains`. To my surprise, it was populated with some additional domains - domains which, indeed, appear to point to banking websites. I tried resetting the setting, but it remained in its modified form. I deleted the content manually, and on pressing Enter all of the Mozilla restricted domains were left out, but the 'banking' domains remained.

After following the deactivation fix in the article, I tried resetting the setting again, and it went back to the normal list of Mozilla domains. So, I am mystified by this decision, and I hope they are doing it on sound grounds.

For reference, here is my list as it was:

autoatendimento.bb.com.br,ibpf.sicredi.com.br,ibpj.sicredi.com.br,internetbanking.caixa.gov.br,www.ib12.bradesco.com.br,www2.bancobrasil.com.br

@dethos
Interestingly, the feature exists in non-advertised and less developed form in regular 114.2 (at least). There is a partial-duplicate article for it here: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/a

I had a look at my `extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains`. To my surprise, it was populated with some additional domains - domains which, indeed, appear to point to banking websites. I tried resetting the setting, but it remained in its modified form. I deleted the content...

ator robot

@dethos Even more interesting. This request has been "in development" for some time, received comment from Mozilla employees (beyond the community manager), and has requests merged in which specifically mention this idea. It looks like Mozilla has been laying the technical groundwork, and now has the infrastructure to block specified extensions on specified sites with that warning. The caveat is that, in this early stage, all of the specification is done by them - the specified extensions are presumably just Mozilla-recommended/reviewed extensions, while the specified sites are (for some reason) opaque and seemingly arbitrary. Most odd, but hopefully to be better explained soon.

@dethos Even more interesting. This request has been "in development" for some time, received comment from Mozilla employees (beyond the community manager), and has requests merged in which specifically mention this idea. It looks like Mozilla has been laying the technical groundwork, and now has the infrastructure to block specified extensions on specified sites with that warning. The caveat is that, in this early stage, all of the specification is done by them - the specified extensions are presumably...

Kevin Bowen :xfce:

@ator @dethos FWIW. This is also present in #Debian 12 bookworm Firefox 102.12.0esr

Ben Stokman

@dethos The only valid reason for doing this is to stop malicious extensions from communicating across sites, to which the solution is to give the user a warning popup and an option to disable it, and also finally add in functionality to change extension permissions to anything the user wants...

Ben Stokman

@dethos Also, hard no on the blocklist. That's just waiting to be abused. Give a warning. We can read. We're not idiots.

Steffo

@dethos@s.ovalerio.net Sounds concerning, but I think it might be a security feature to stop detected exploits from being executed, as extensions may now access things in the operating system beyond what a regular script can (see cables.gl for an example).

Is there a discussion on Bugzilla about it?
It could provide some light on the matter.

:yell: Ibly 🏳️‍⚧️ θΔ

@dethos can we just have ONE nice thing in this world please

pootriarch ⏚

every firefox release i have to comb the release notes looking for the burning present mozilla brought me. thanks, saved me a click
@dethos

Tadpole 💚

@dethos Sigh. Time to migrate to LibreWolf I guess? JFC Mozilla. 🙃

minty :blobfoxcatsnuggle:

@dethos@s.ovalerio.net not sure if im interpreting this wrong but doesn't this mean you can bypass it?

Gatrnerd

@dethos goddamnit
well uh
any alternatives?

DELETED

@dethos „Firefox 125 will disable AdBlock when visiting YouTube per Google DMCA request”…

Kris

@dethos

What happens when Firefox is being used in a managed setup in an enterprise context? Will this list be controlled by Firefox or by the enterprise? Can Firefox still be used in an enterprise context without a compliance violation?

sigi714

@isotopp @dethos Content warning: The last question is rhetorical.

Julian

@isotopp @dethos
You can overwrite the setting in about:config.

Just set 'extensions.quarantinedDomains.enabled' to false.

support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/q

Gen X-Wing

@dethos Are they trying to ruin their name in a day here?

WolfTV | Mathias Wolfbrok
@dethos Can the internet just stop self-destructing FOR 5 MINUTES
exus1pl

@dethos WTF?! Why on earth would anyone think this is a good idea? I manually disable my extensions for some sites but this is mostly because I know them. Having any kind of "we do it for you" optional sounds like big corpo are gona take advantage of that. Maybe it is time to fork?

Trash Panda

@dethos@s.ovalerio.net welp. Time to chose a Firefox fork that doesn't break websites like librewolf

Flux

@dethos Time to install Librewolf I guess...

SuperIlu

@dethos Mozilla being Mozilla again. Instead of focusing on making firefox a real competitor again they love to fuck over their userbase 😩

AWels

@dethos I guess I'll move to LibreWolf for now...

CuriousApe2020

@dethos One more reason to use #librewolf !
An Firefox fork without any Telemetry or Mozilla crap like Snippets.
librewolf.net/

Erica Marigold :vm:

@dethos wtf i didnt expect mozilla to do something like this

shocker indeed

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