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kravietz 🦇

@drq

I think Greenpeace is already losing ground - their success in this field was based in the anti-nuclear movements based on Cold War threat of global nuclear war.

The generation of our parents was literally scared to death of the idea of a “total nuclear holocaust” and it was welcoming any kind of anti-scientific bullshit as long as it matched these fears. I can see the generation of my kids simply doesn’t get it and their thinking is much more based in reality - “so nuclear is low-carbon? and just two serious incidents over half century? oh ok, let’s have more of it”.

Even people who were initially biased by anti-nuclear propaganda, when you show them electricitymap.org, they just open their eyes and see they have been lied to. Which left Greenpeace, an organisation based on private donations driven by hype and PR, with only die-hard anti-nuclear and anti-GMO fanatics, since everyone who had something to do with science left Greenpeace long ago.

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Jasper

@kravietz @drq there were lists of targets for nukes, and i think they'd be followed if nuclear war actually broke out.

The consequences of nuclear war, even ignoring radation, just the areas of cities leveled, burned can be calculated.. nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ (probably the W53 a good guess, "moderate" blast damage says "most buildings collapse" ftr, it's ~500Ă— Hiroshima..)

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@jasper And what does it have to do with Greenpeace stifling adoption of nuclear energy at all.

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Jasper

@drq @kravietz you say that as if it would not be a valid reply if it had nothing to do with that.

The post i replied to could easily be interpreted to say or insinuate a downplaying of the dangers of nukes.

Jasper

@drq @kravietz don't know what an NPP is but presumably not.

Jasper

@drq We're being really inefficient, but @kravietz mentions fear of nuclear weapons and then a lot about alleged irrationality about it. It's easy to interpret that as the fear of the bombs being irrational too. I am not saying he means that, but i wanted to point out that's not the case..(1/2)

Jasper

@drq @kravietz
It is entirely valid to worry about power plants being a proliferation risk, based on materials they can make. Modern ones claim it's not as likely for them, but i remain skeptical. It is not like ways to make precursors from other processes would be widely advertised, especially not to win an argument about nuclear power plants that aren't going to be built. They'd be kept secret.. (2/2)

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@jasper The science behind nuclear fission is not all that hard for the people who are in the know. If a modern closed-circuit LWR NPP could make weapons-grade nuclear fuel, this would have been really, REALLY hard to keep a secret, because there's a lot of people working in the field. You can't build a conspiracy around common knowledge.

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kravietz 🦇

@drq @jasper Ah, here’s a nice infographic I couldn’t find yesterday - there are 32 countries that rely on nuclear power, but only 7 of them have nuclear weapons. Plus, there are 2 countries that have weapons (Israel, North Korea) but never had #nuclear power.

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