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Paul Bone

@mattcen I really think that Discord is one of the easiest platforms to use and choose it for my open source stuff.

I'm not worried about vendor lock-in because chat is ephemeral. I don't store documentation & code there it's just a way for people to get in touch. If it's a problem I can move elsewhere.

I also use IRC because I like IRC, but I understand that people find IRC difficult.

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Matt Cengia

@pbone Honestly, one of my biggest frustrations with Discord is their UI. It seems every time I open it it's trying to advertise some "fun" new feature targetting people using the platform for gaming or recreation, and I Just. Don't. Care. I just need to be able to interact with whatever community has roped me into using it, and don't want all this extra noise.

Paul Bone

@mattcen That's one of my criticisms also, and the "fun chat features" that go with it like the attention grabbing animated things and why does everyone need their own colour?

OTOH I still find it easier to use (my particular a11y needs) than Matrix's Element interface. But now I want to try Revolt, I vaguely remember trying it before.

Matt Cengia

@pbone That's fair too; Element are still refining their UI for usability and accessibility.
I also encourage folks to investigate Matrix *bridges* to their IRC or Discord communities; at least it gives people another option, though I concede they're not 100% reliable yet either.

mounderfod

@mattcen @pbone

To be fair, that was the target audience of Discord to begin with

Matt Cengia

@mounderfod Yes, I understand that, which is why it's frustrating that so many non-gamer communities have adopted it and its UI isn't really catering to those.

Paul Bone

@gnumdk @mattcen Yes. If you're so principled that you only ever use FOSS things then I am concerned that you may hold principals too tightly and miss practical considerations. I want to work with people who can find a balance. Principals are great, they show us what to aim for, what we're working/fighting for. But my video card still works best with a closed binary driver, my hard disk has closed firmware etc...

Paul Bone

@gnumdk @mattcen Actually, I wouldn't say "by design", it's circumstance that I haven't yet found a platform that's suitable and open, and I also wouldn't say that *I* exclude them. They exclude themselves by their choice.

I feel worse that Discord doesn't work well with screen readers. People who need those often aren't choosing based on an ideology, and I would like to include them.

Edward Hervey
@pbone @mattcen the number of times searching for something in mattermost has saved me has made me change my point of view on that.

Having searchable history of "chat systems" is a must-have. And it needs to be open for FOSS projects, else you're losing a massive trove of information and knowledge.
Akseli :quake_verified:

@pbone @mattcen as long as docs arent on discord i personally dont care but i dont think i will contribute either if i have to use a tool that causes sensory overload for me whenever i open it

Lorraine Lee
@mattcen @pbone I paused on that last sentence. People find IRC difficult? Certainly IRC is simpler than Discord. But upon a tiny amount of reflection, I think I see it. If you go with protocols rather than platforms, people have choices, and choice can be difficult. "How do I get on IRC?" is a question with many answers, and perhaps some flame wars between competing answers. Not necessarily the most digestible breakfast.
a goat‽

@pbone @mattcen
> Chat is ephemeral

On Matrix it's as permanent and irrevocable as humanly possible. Great for keeping your data online forever (long as the servers don't die), not great for privacy

Rihards Olups

@pbone @mattcen
Discord does not allow accessing information without registering with them. Even for ephemeral information having it "blackholed" can be painful.
We recently had somebody recommend #Zulip for the local OpenStreetMap community, and it has been pretty great - maybe it works for you as well :)

zulip.com/

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