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@adora This is as equally true as those who need water given to them.

You ought to be helped, but also given the dignity to help yourself.

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Adora (She/Her) :flag_transgender:

@Zenith for sure.
The metaphor does break down a little though.

I get it. I don't blame either side. It's shit to have to beg constantly for stuff, to feel alone, to feel hopeless. I want nothing more than to help those people.

But I can't really push people to associate with someone in a toxic pushing people away spiral.

It's desperately hard to be in someone's life who turns every conversation into a fight, who intentionally does hurtful things, who lashes out when good things happen....

It's a lot to ask from people and the kind of people who stayed as long as they did are probably at the end of their ability already.

I wish I could fix things. I hate leaving people in distress. But I can't help people who won't let me come close enough to.

So yeah, that's kind of my plea - hoping people can find just enough faith in humanity, for a moment, to let help in through the door.

@Zenith for sure.
The metaphor does break down a little though.

I get it. I don't blame either side. It's shit to have to beg constantly for stuff, to feel alone, to feel hopeless. I want nothing more than to help those people.

But I can't really push people to associate with someone in a toxic pushing people away spiral.

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@adora Here is a non-analogy then:

There is someone in jail who is dehydrated and needs water. I would not say their isolation is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I read everything up to its maximum and believe that.

There are no sides.

We are all victims.

And I don't recognize your post as the subtoot it is, because given this is a public form I will hold all ideas with the same accuntability as I do reverence.

Adora (She/Her) :flag_transgender:

@Zenith for sure. It's not really a subtoot as much as sadness.
Like yeah, a toot kicked it off this time, but it's not really about her.

I have so many friends who are desperately hurting and I'm doing my best

I agree we're all victims here. I'm just so damn sad to see anyone suffer.

I wish I could help more

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