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Aurynn Shaw

people who are opining that Facebook joining the fedi is okay didn't live through Google killing XMPP. Or anything Microsoft ever did.

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Petra

@aurynn Didn't facebook help kill xmpp too?

Oblomov

@PetraOleum @aurynn they both helped kill both XMPP and RSS. The XMPP case is particularly cogent because the rhetoric used at the time was exactly the same used now for AP

Andres Jalinton

@aurynn
Oh thank you!
I'm getting tired of people saying that it's great that big corporations are coming.

Daniel

@aurynn killing XMPP was a group effort, wasn't it? Embrace and extinguish.

The Doctor

@dznz @aurynn The PM who pulled that off is still inordinately proud of that.

owen

@aurynn I maintain that the _millisecond_ that some product manager at google believes that federation is no longer necessary for the gmail business, smtp interoperability will be replaced by some kind of (probably initially SMTP-shaped) "submit mail to gmail" interface that they can then extend arbitrarily.

owen

@aurynn Furthermore I also maintain that the exodus of human conversation away from email makes this date move forwards.

sam

@owen @aurynn The big thing keeping this from happening is that there are zero other good methods for having a business related text conversation between two people at different organizations

Jeremy List

@aurynn so annoying when that was still happening: Google used established XMPP standards for plain text messages and nothing else, but they managed to convince everyone it was all the other implementations that were broken.

Jonathan Harker

@aurynn Google is also in the process of killing email, but nobody seems to have noticed yet.

Aethylred

@jonathanharker @aurynn why should set their goals so low, why not destroy all SMTP

Ian

@jonathanharker @aurynn Microsoft with their outlook.com & hotmail.com blocking legit email from those that don't send enough email seems to be ahead of Google in terms of destroying it.

A Cyber Expert

@aurynn

Ah yes

Additional Microsoft IIS HTTP status codes 400.7 or 401.502 or Exchange’s SMTP 550 5.2.0 to make the existing codes much more difficult to interpret.

Aurynn Shaw

@acyberexpert can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic here?

A Cyber Expert

@aurynn
Those additional status codes to extend existing RFC standards were a nightmare.

I don’t think they’ll be any better this time.

ajft

@aurynn I like to think that if the EU can force Apple to use USB-C, they could have the resources & commitment to force commercial soc. media platforms to use open protocols

OTOH, Google Facebook Microsoft

🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣

@ajft USB C is a shitty idea on so.many levels… There's much more better solution…

No thanks, I'd rather not have facecrap and twitter come and pollute ActivityPub, with their non-standard proprietary crap, intrusive data collection and marketing spam. Let alone the toxic way their "publication" systems work…

@aurynn

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@aurynn

Exactly! In joining the Fediverse, expect Meta to follow the Microsoft Playbook:

1) Agree to international standard
2) Produce proprietary extensions to the standard that nobody likes or wants
3) Claim nobody else is implementing the standard properly

Or

1) Make all the right noises about collaboration and Open Source
2) Ensure that pre-compiled versions of the Open Source have a secret API that only Meta products can use
3) Diss competitors for not having the same features

Aurynn Shaw

@Colman *looks at everything Microsoft destroyed* Sure

Rilindo

@aurynn This feels like AOL going on the Internet all over again.

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