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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

There is a need for a longer conversation about the stuff that the kerfuffle relates to.

But it has to be a conversation, not a shouting match. People are throwing accusations and making conjectures that have nothing to do with reality!

And we need to be able to have this conversation without pushing out people most engaged in maintaining the infrastructure we use to have this conversation.

There is a way to do all that, but for that we need to take a step back, and take a deep breath.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:13 | Open on mstdn.social
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Matt5sean3

@rysiek Then agree to block Meta for now if it is released in the meantime. We can all have that talk then unblock or not once an open, honest, calm conversation with the wider Fediverse, not just a select few instance runners can be had.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:22 | Open on rva.party
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@Matt5sean3 that's the longer conversation we need to have. But I do not want to have it in this thread, as I've been having it, pretty heated, in many other threads over the last few days.

I would appreciate if we could leave this one thread for focusing on calming down a bit and lowering the temperature, please.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:32 | Open on mstdn.social
Matt5sean3

@rysiek And that was my suggestion for an easily reversible action to allow that calming to happen. If nothing else it will let people know they are not being brushed off. The calming cannot happen without something like that.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:40 | Open on rva.party
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@Matt5sean3 no, I think it is reasonable to ask people to stop pulling stuff out of thin air and accusing random people of stuff for which there is not a shred of corroboration.

If you want to discuss blocks, pledges, etc, I would appreciate if you respected my request from before and started your own thread.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:44 | Open on mstdn.social
Matt5sean3

@rysiek Then enjoy the continued furor. Quite fundamentally, telling people to calm down when you refuse to act to address the concerns is not a practical stance. There are secrets being kept, that we know. It is by design that people are left only with speculation.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:50 | Open on rva.party
Fifi Lamoura

@rysiek Some real transparency would solve a lot of this, most of the kerfuffle seems to be being caused by the lack of clarity and transparency. NDAs aren't going to help that and it sort of starts to create a priest class (with both power and secret knowledge that isn't transmitted) if we're going to talk about the social aspects of this. Communication issues and lack of clarity always give rise to speculation, especially if people are being looked down on by the newly forming priestly class! (To be clear, I'm using priestly class here to illustrate the social dynamics, I don't necessarily think any of whoever was involved in the meta talks was trying to become this at all, it's just what can happen when there's secret knowledge and people feel shut out.) It doesn't help that there's been some sneering at people who voice concerns (on either side of the forming divide).

@rysiek Some real transparency would solve a lot of this, most of the kerfuffle seems to be being caused by the lack of clarity and transparency. NDAs aren't going to help that and it sort of starts to create a priest class (with both power and secret knowledge that isn't transmitted) if we're going to talk about the social aspects of this. Communication issues and lack of clarity always give rise to speculation, especially if people are being looked down on by the newly forming priestly class! (To...

19 Jun 2023 at 17:25 | Open on eldritch.cafe
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@fifilamoura yes, this is the broader conversation, that I am not necessarily wanting to have in this particular thread. There's plenty of threads about that, I'd like this one to be about calming down, taking a step back, and taking a deep breath.

19 Jun 2023 at 17:33 | Open on mstdn.social
Fifi Lamoura

@rysiek Fair enough! Sorry, didn't see the earlier comments by someone else!

19 Jun 2023 at 17:34 | Open on eldritch.cafe
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

And to make this abundantly clear… regardless of how much you disagree with a person and how much you feel their decisions might be wrong:
👉 harassment is harassment, and is unacceptable
👉 calling for harm is calling for harm, and is unacceptable
👉 pile-ons are pile-ons, and are unacceptable

People who engage in that sort of thing are like locusts. They join a community, destroy it, and move on.

If you care about fedi, push back against that, even if it targets someone you disagree with.

And to make this abundantly clear… regardless of how much you disagree with a person and how much you feel their decisions might be wrong:
👉 harassment is harassment, and is unacceptable
👉 calling for harm is calling for harm, and is unacceptable
👉 pile-ons are pile-ons, and are unacceptable

People who engage in that sort of thing are like locusts. They join a community, destroy it, and move on.

19 Jun 2023 at 18:27 | Open on mstdn.social
Dr. Quadragon ❌
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Oh, and you know what the best way to defend from fedi admins "selling out" — which again, is *not* happening! — would be?

Supporting them financially (if you are in a position to do so).

If you are in fact in a position to do so, go to your instance's about page, and check if there is any way to chip in.

And either way, hug your fedi admin.

19 Jun 2023 at 19:09 | Open on mstdn.social
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