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@joelle I wonder what the regret rate for those with tonsillitis who undergo a tonsillectomy would be. My guess is the regret rate for those with tonsillitis that don't have a tonsillectomy would be zero as they'd all be dead.

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Joelle

@britishtechguru Tonsillitis is not usually fatal. Tonsillectomy is done to improve quality of life, not to keep someone alive, generally.

That said, looks like it has about a 7% regret rate.

But even surgeries everyone agrees are done to keep someone alive, like cancer surgeries, have a significantly higher regret rate than the gender reassignement surgeries.

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@joelle I had a tonsillectomy at 7 years old. Adenoids too. No regrets.

Haven't felt the need for a sex change op but I bet there are plenty doctors who'd do one without enforcing a psychiatric evaluation.

Joelle

@britishtechguru You’re right, there is. They do genital sex reassignments on intersex infants. And, yes, there is a high regret rate in those infants when they grow up — unlike adults that have surgery or even kids who receive puberty blockers. I’ll note the infant surgeries on intersex kids are not banned in any USA state (or elsewhere in the world).

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@joelle The number of hermaphrodites or intersex babies born is an extreme minority. In my 56 years on this planet I have met just one.

Joelle

@britishtechguru I’ve met dozens (that I know of — most people don’t talk about thie reproductive organs and/or chromosomes and/or hormone sensitivities in random conversation!) and am married to one. But the size of that minority is irrelevant, the point is that there is an entirely different standard applied to trans people — because of moral disapproval.

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@joelle Most if not all of that disapproval is based on interpretation of the bible. The bible was compiled 300 years after the fact. It was heavily edited with scriptures not representing the ideas of the pope of the day just being burned. The bible is basically one man's decree as to how people should live.

I notice that in non Christian cultures, transgender seems more accepted. The faffafini in Asia, theres a group in India. Not sure if they're called hiru.

It leads me more to think that the bible is too restrictive. Mind, eastern religions are more about how to live while western religions are more about how to prepare for death.

@joelle Most if not all of that disapproval is based on interpretation of the bible. The bible was compiled 300 years after the fact. It was heavily edited with scriptures not representing the ideas of the pope of the day just being burned. The bible is basically one man's decree as to how people should live.

Nuno & Lua :DsaprvingLua:

@britishtechguru @joelle we should not commit the error of romanticising the East. The hijras in India are a mix of trans, eunuchs, and intersex individuals and are very low on their social ladder and subject to abuse. Both the west and the east have their own issues with gender discrimination. Also: Most of the west cares little about the bible nowadays, I know it might be a surprise to the US and a few other countries that we don't even care about the religion of our politicians.

Joelle

@ncrav @britishtechguru I do agree we shoudln't romanticize or exoticize the east, but a major reason that the hijras have low social status is due to the legacy of European colonization.

Nuno & Lua :DsaprvingLua:

@joelle @britishtechguru yes the colonization didn't help but all those centuries (millennia perhaps) of caste systems didn't exactly help as well.

T. T. Perry

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@joelle

Anyone can cut off a baby boy's foreskin. Don't even need to be a doctor. That's how little value we invest as a society in the rights of children, and how hypocritical cisgender people are.

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