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e̷r̴i̸s̶ :verifiedpurple:
@drq I mean those are still issues with a prison system, I'm curious what your solution would be except to offer whatabouts?

Like I don't think the answer is to not have any method whatsoever to stop eg sexual violence
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Dr. Quadragon ❌

@eris
> I mean those are still issues with a prison system

And no. If you jail a wrong person, you can release them, apologize and compensate for your mistake at least somehow. You won't give them their time back, but at least you can give them something for the trouble.

Unless you have the ability to litetally resurrect the dead, this doesn't work with death penalty.

And prepare to make a lot of mistakes, as I said, justice is a very complex and error-prone process. As you may know from history of the entire human fucking species.

@eris
> I mean those are still issues with a prison system

And no. If you jail a wrong person, you can release them, apologize and compensate for your mistake at least somehow. You won't give them their time back, but at least you can give them something for the trouble.

Unless you have the ability to litetally resurrect the dead, this doesn't work with death penalty.

e̷r̴i̸s̶ :verifiedpurple:
@drq see I dont think that's a good solution.

Imprisoning them causes trauma, it causes financial burdens, it encourages them to commit more crime, and it exacerbates racial tribalism. You can't undo imprisoning them, it's as serious as killing them. No one comes out of that the same person and if they weren't a violent offender before they will likely become one.

It should only be used when verifying if someone did commit violence I think, and not as a solution
@drq see I dont think that's a good solution.

Imprisoning them causes trauma, it causes financial burdens, it encourages them to commit more crime, and it exacerbates racial tribalism. You can't undo imprisoning them, it's as serious as killing them. No one comes out of that the same person and if they weren't a violent offender before they will likely become one.
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@eris@akko.disqordia.space the problem again, as @drq@mastodon.ml mentioned briefly but not elaborated enough at, is abuse of these measures.

I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about idealistic societies where the judgement is almost perfect: how much does it differ from the equally unrealistic society where the crime does not exist at all?

In non-ideal society the power of death penalty will be abused, overused, mal-used, and so on, say, as a foolproof way to remove the polical opponents, while even the lifetime imprisonment is still limited by the characteristic law stability timescale, which can be pretty short in some countries.

For example, Fyodor Dostoevsky was originally sentenced to death for some allegedly revolutionary activity, which was changed to Siberian exile in the last few moments before the firing squad executed the order. He wrote most of his novels after the exile.

@eris@akko.disqordia.space the problem again, as @drq@mastodon.ml mentioned briefly but not elaborated enough at, is abuse of these measures.

I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about idealistic societies where the judgement is almost perfect: how much does it differ from the equally unrealistic society where the crime does not exist at all?

In non-ideal society the power of death penalty will be abused, overused, mal-used, and so on, say, as a foolproof way to remove the polical opponents, while...

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@taxuswc

> as  @drq mentioned briefly but not elaborated enough at, is abuse of these measures.

I'm trying!!!!!!

I just can't point it out enough, and I doubt anybody can, just look at the history, we can screw ourselves SO royally with this stuff like oh my fucking god.

@eris

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@drq@mastodon.ml yeah, sorry, probably a wrong word, I meant an intentional abuse, not the accidental one.

@eris@akko.disqordia.space

Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to DELETED

@taxuswc I also addressed intentional. I said it would be reluctant and incidental, at first.

@eris

Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@taxuswc @eris Anyhow, "abolish all prisons so we can just murder people instead" is NOT a very good argument for prison abolition, on oh so many levels.

Eris, with all respect I have for you (still do, no joke), you literally talked yourself into a corner here.

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