Gregory's Server@rysiek i wish there was a good alternative to Lightroom that can also seamlessly import existing catalogues ... I'm locked into it, effectively, since I have decades' worth of raw files managed in it. at least I'm on the last "proper" version of it that you could outright buy before it went Creative Cloud leasing model...
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@tek_dmn @rysiek @darktable but likely that only loads general exposure settings and metadata, any actual edits would not carry over?  @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek @darktable The edits would be defined in the sidecar file. And the ratings and metadata. @patrick_h_lauke @tek_dmn @rysiek the edits do not carry over. Nor would you want them too, since darktable's edit tools are quite different. @darktable @tek_dmn @rysiek ... and there we go, i have almost 20 years' worth of DNGs with edits, and want to still maintain the capability to get back and tweak those edits at any point. that's what's keeping me locked into keeping my old version of lightroom... @patrick_h_lauke @tek_dmn @rysiek yeah but that's what lock in is, right, and I'll be that way for every photo editing app. We don't think there are any raw editors where edits are interchangeable. At some point you will have to decide not to be locked in anymore, export jpegs/tiffs of your current edits, then accept that you'll need to reedit in your new editor. Or at some point you'll need to start paying adobe monthly. Maybe thats worth it for you. Maybe not @darktable @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek I wonder, DUMB wonder, if it's possible to read the XMP sidecars you can get Adobe to generate, and try and match them to DT operations. It won't be 100%, but having someone construct a program that knows roughly what LR op corresponds to what DT op, you can get most of it moved over... ...Probably not helpful in a practical sense, but now I'm curious. I just don't have any LR data with me to experiment with. @tek_dmn @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek sure its technically possible, but then you're just chasing them, and adobe makes it difficult to chase them on purpose. Take a look at the PSD file format if you need further proof. We want to make good tools to edit your photos with, not spend time chasing Adobe formats. @darktable @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek True, I'm just the special brand of insane that would try that just for fun on my own time though. @tek_dmn @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek the hardest part will be that Lightroom uses a DCP formulated after the manufacturer's jpeg, and darktable doesn't even try at all to do or replicate that.  @darktable I wonder if that's something that could be regulated: if a file format is introduced and maintained by a vendor in a monopolistic position on a market, the file format needs to be open, standardized, and not patent-encumbered. It's a pipe dream, of course, but perhaps possible long-term.  @rysiek @darktable @tek_dmn @patrick_h_lauke Even then they will make interoperability hard by making 'mistakes', adding custom extentions, make the format ambiguous or very complex, etc. @aerique yeah. But we can take it one step at a time. @rysiek @aerique @tek_dmn @patrick_h_lauke just re-editing your in darktable and making it look good would likely be much faster and easier ;)  @darktable @patrick_h_lauke @tek_dmn @rysiek I wonder if anybody has explored the idea of finding a sequence of edits that would give you picture A from picture B. Then people could export both the original and edited image and rebuild the edits from the image comparison. @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek You might also want to give https://www.rawtherapee.com/ a try. Multiplatform and open source. IMO its UI is better than Darktable. @micron @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek 馃ゥ Did you hear the one about the sez fiend who #RawDogged RAW images? 馃ゥ  @micron @patrick_h_lauke @rysiek I prefer RawTherapee. Been using it over a year now and works really well for me, outperforming Darktable and digiKam for my own particular image processing needs |
@patrick_h_lauke @rysiek Darktable can iirc, you just need to ask Lightroom to create sidecar files and work with those, not just the single catalog file, doesn't seem that difficult.
@darktable themselves might have some rough idea on where to point you for that