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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@Gargron You could always try actually developing good moderation tools into mastodon.

4 May 2023 at 14:33 | Wall-to-wall | Open on qoto.org
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supernovae

@freemo @Gargron room for improvement. Why are you still on mastodon 3.2 tho? 4.x main branch has some tasty webhooks for admins to add their own tooling into now. (and m.s, m.o are upgraded to main)

4 May 2023 at 14:35 | Open on universeodon.com
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@supernovae

We dont run mastodon we run a fork that is heavily modified and our version is not a reflection of what features we pulled in from mastodon anymore.

@Gargron

4 May 2023 at 14:37 | Open on qoto.org
supernovae

@freemo @Gargron Do you have moderation tools to share then?

4 May 2023 at 14:38 | Open on universeodon.com
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@supernovae @Gargron

We do have some custom moderation tools yes.

4 May 2023 at 14:40 | Open on qoto.org
supernovae

@freemo @Gargron any details to share? is the code public since you forked mastodon is it on your fork in github?

4 May 2023 at 14:45 | Open on universeodon.com
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@supernovae @Gargron

Our code is public yes.

We have been in development and separate from mastodon for many years now, hard to keep track of all of our features off hand. Most of what we have is in the form of python scripts and dont ship with the server itself (that said I dont think me or the other mods would mind posting them if someone wants them). They are mostly designed to find advertisers, even if they dont post, by looking for common red-flags in their profiles then listing them to us for review.

There are some things at the server level too, for example we can review remote timelines (timelines of other instances) without needing an account there,a nd use that to help us moderate inter-instance federation, we also added captcha which can can use various indicators to decide if it presents itself or not, and a few other tools.

@supernovae @Gargron

Our code is public yes.

We have been in development and separate from mastodon for many years now, hard to keep track of all of our features off hand. Most of what we have is in the form of python scripts and dont ship with the server itself (that said I dont think me or the other mods would mind posting them if someone wants them). They are mostly designed to find advertisers, even if they dont post, by looking for common red-flags in their profiles then listing them to us for review.

4 May 2023 at 14:49 | Open on qoto.org
supernovae

@freemo @Gargron yeah, my point is we're all in this - if we're suggesting failures somewhere we need to suggest solutions.

Mastodon 4.x has webhook that greatly help here - you can plugin akismet or other anti spam services or look for dupe posts or trigger your own rate limits.

All of us should be coordinating and collaborating here - it's an OSS project and if you run a fork, it seems disingenuous to say "fix your code" if what they fix won't be able to address similar things happening from your fork - unless you have explicit suggestions :)

@freemo @Gargron yeah, my point is we're all in this - if we're suggesting failures somewhere we need to suggest solutions.

Mastodon 4.x has webhook that greatly help here - you can plugin akismet or other anti spam services or look for dupe posts or trigger your own rate limits.

All of us should be coordinating and collaborating here - it's an OSS project and if you run a fork, it seems disingenuous to say "fix your code" if what they fix won't be able to address similar things happening from your...

4 May 2023 at 14:51 | Open on universeodon.com
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@supernovae @Gargron

Back before QOTO diverged too far from mastodon to be feasable most of our fixes were offered as PR to mastodon... surprise surprise Eugene usually rejected them for ideological reasons and here we are.

This isnt a case of "well its open-source"... no you have a highly opinionated guy running the scene who has made highly questionable and destructive decisions on various occasions and who has stifled good contributions to the codebase at every turn (and often gets called out)... So no the fault lies with Eugene here right fromt he getgo.

@supernovae @Gargron

Back before QOTO diverged too far from mastodon to be feasable most of our fixes were offered as PR to mastodon... surprise surprise Eugene usually rejected them for ideological reasons and here we are.

This isnt a case of "well its open-source"... no you have a highly opinionated guy running the scene who has made highly questionable and destructive decisions on various occasions and who has stifled good contributions to the codebase at every turn (and often gets called out)......

4 May 2023 at 14:54 | Open on qoto.org
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