Gregory's Server@solarbear Quoting is an _integral_ aspect of how some communities interact, and is something I've seriously missed since coming to this platform.
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@mdstevens0612 respectfully, that already exists today, in way that does not provide for traceability. I can link to any post in another one, but there is no trace of the connection between the two the way a quote-post has. So, to follow this to its most absurd conclusion, should posting hyperlinks be blocked? @ben_zen starts with "respectfully" and ends with one of the most "so you hate waffles" sentences I have even seen. So like, a little disrespectfully, you have correctly identified there's a problem with traceability, but just consider this; When a thing is made easier to do, it gets done more often. To follow your thinking to its most absurd conclusion, should we just put every user's takes with their email addresses on billboards in Times Square? @mdstevens0612 hardly. But to say that the only or greatest use of quoting is harrassment is to ignore the real, actual data about who uses it and for what! And while I respect concerns about harrassment, that is a human issue and is not something to be solved by technological means. We can build systems that are harder to use to harass, but saying the equivalent of "nobody wants this for legit reasons" ignores entire communities who use it extensively.  @mdstevens0612 @ben_zen At least an honest take: The only consequence of not implementing it while everyone _can_ use it is to make it harder and to show disresprect to those who are new to the Fediverse.  @mdstevens0612 @ben_zen Indeed, and that's why i hope they don't try to copy Twitter by turning the Boost button into a menu and adding "Boost with comment". I get the point about traceability but the "always notify OP author" and "show all QTs in a list under the OP" features were IMO a big part of what made QTs so negative. @mdstevens0612 @ben_zen @solarbear Also so far people on fedi have been interacting fine without quote toots so it's clearly not an integral aspect of the interaction here @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear please, start here. I can wave my hands, or I can cite evidence-based research, and I definitely prefer the latter. @ben_zen @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear What for instance, in your opinion, should happen if someone from your instance now does a regular form of harassment on social media, that is quote tooting a disabled person to dehumanise, belittle, harass, etc?  That should be a breach of server rules and the mod team can do what they promise to do and restrict the offender. Mastodon is not short of options for dealing with bad behaviour.  @mackaj @LutherBlissett13 @ben_zen @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear this is a bit disingenuous. A staple of comms courses is that innocent posts turn malicious as the hours pass. #MilkShakeDuck @rood @mackaj @LutherBlissett13 @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear I'm not sure I follow on your hashtag usage thereโor how what you're saying applies. (also, if anyone wants off the thread, definitely do say so.) @ben_zen @mackaj @LutherBlissett13 @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear it simply means when things turn ugly. Disingenuous? The point I'm making is that quoting won't take away any of the existing tools and processes we have today to protect ourselves. @LutherBlissett13 @ben_zen @SigmaOne @mdstevens0612 @solarbear @LutherBlissett13 This is the approach taken by several instances I'm aware of, including furry.engineerโbecause this is already extant behavior. People are just using links and screenshots instead of quotes. @mdstevens0612 @ben_zen @solarbear how is it integral when one can screenshot or otherwise describe an interaction? I've never been dogpiled harder than on mastodon once I've disagreed with an original post and subsequently had to deal with their every follower. This is anecdotal and hyperbolic so it's not something to prove or disprove, and I am solidly in the "neither pro nor con but bored with the debate" camp. @Zeke I can actually do better than anecdotal remarks; here's a great place to start on what makes Black Twitter a vibrant community and a look at what people use quotes for: https://privacy.thenexus.today/black-twitter-quoting-and-white-toxicity-on-mastodon/ And then there's Mastodon and "it's so nice here", which is to say that as soon as you posit that things aren't entirely on the up & up, people bring out the knives. A person has even told me that quoting is like heroin! @ben_zen @solarbear Quoting is a mass harrassment "feature"; it serves no other purpose. No one on Twitter uses it for anything other than mass harassment. Granted, they ENJOY this mass harrassment, but that doesn't make it OK |
@ben_zen @solarbear quoting posts with an easily accessible hyperlink back to OP is also an integral aspect of social media dogpiles.