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@futurebird

Just out of curiousity, how does having one's own instance, versus having an account on an existing instance, change things? Does an instance name make it more searchable? Will all other instance members be able to find it.

28 Apr 2023 at 17:39 | Wall-to-wall | Open on newsie.social
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Alan Twigz

@GregCirillo @futurebird For one, they'd be in control of their own federation with other instances. If they join an existing instance, then that instance is colonized by bots, scammers or Nazis, a bunch of folks would block it and they'd be cut off from other users. If there's a whole instance of just MTA updates and comms, basically no one's defederating from them

28 Apr 2023 at 17:45 | Open on mastodon.social
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@Quisley @futurebird
Thanks. So, if they have an instance that will broadcast MTA system updates, I assume people who want to have this information merely need to "follow" their instance/account? Is it possible to quickly check on an instance, because just following an account doesn't give you their most recent information.

28 Apr 2023 at 18:07 | Open on newsie.social
Space Catitude 🚀

@GregCirillo @futurebird

It has a lot of benefits, and a few costs.

Benefits:
* You control the moderation, so you can set your own rules and process for that.

* If the server gets overloaded and bogged down, you have the ability to fix that.

* You control branding (to a degree), which software / fork (and therefore what features you have).

* With some software or forks, you have local-only posting (Misskey, Calckey (Misskey), Hometown (Mastodon), Glitch-Social (Mastodon), at least.

@GregCirillo @futurebird

It has a lot of benefits, and a few costs.

Benefits:
* You control the moderation, so you can set your own rules and process for that.

* If the server gets overloaded and bogged down, you have the ability to fix that.

* You control branding (to a degree), which software / fork (and therefore what features you have).

28 Apr 2023 at 17:46 | Open on realsocial.life
Space Catitude 🚀

@GregCirillo @futurebird

Costs -- pretty much mirrors of the above:

* You have to do the moderation -- or pay someone to.

* Also sys-admining -- or pay someone to.

* Customization, of course, requires tinkering.

* Again - details to manage: picking and installing software, and/or finding someone to do that for you.

There ARE services that do hosting and system-level administration for Fediverse servers.

28 Apr 2023 at 17:48 | Open on realsocial.life
Space Catitude 🚀

@GregCirillo @futurebird

I have a Misskey server that I run on my project site, which really only has me on it, though I plan to open it up to project contributors.

But I also keep this personal account on a server run by a friend. One reason is because it's less hassle. Another is because there is a larger community on this server. And another is because, if my site goes down, I will still have this account to tell people about it!

28 Apr 2023 at 17:50 | Open on realsocial.life
mav :happy_blob:

@GregCirillo @futurebird the biggest reason, especially for official government organizations or private companies, is that most instances are hosted & made accessible to the public for free by people out of the goodness of their heart, and if a large entity wants to come be part of that then they either need to give back to the instance they're on (which especially for things like governmental organizations can be complicated) or just host their own.

28 Apr 2023 at 17:53 | Open on hackers.town
notsoloud

@GregCirillo
You'd need to #FetchAllReplies

Only posts with users/hashtags followed on your instance will show, even if you click a post to check replies. The rest don't go to your instance since no one's asked for it.

Ways of handling that:
1) Join a relay like bigrelay.social
2) Get a client that has the function to ask for replies from OP (#fedilab works for me)
3) Wait for that feature to show up in vanilla mastodon, is on their roadmap, maybe, as I read it

@futurebird

@GregCirillo
You'd need to #FetchAllReplies

Only posts with users/hashtags followed on your instance will show, even if you click a post to check replies. The rest don't go to your instance since no one's asked for it.

Ways of handling that:
1) Join a relay like bigrelay.social
2) Get a client that has the function to ask for replies from OP (#fedilab works for me)
3) Wait for that feature to show up in vanilla mastodon, is on their roadmap, maybe, as I read it

28 Apr 2023 at 18:11 | Open on expressional.social
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notsoloud

@GregCirillo
Linux nerd, sorry 🤣

There might be posts in this very thread you just don't see. This can cause confusion.

You'll only see them if they're from a user followed by someone on newsie.social. (You see THIS one, because I @'d you)

On a single person instance, you miss a lot. Relays exchange posts to partly fix it.

Sauropods.win will see all replies, because the thread started there. Options 2/3 means a client that knows to ask sauropods for them.

@futurebird

@GregCirillo
Linux nerd, sorry 🤣

There might be posts in this very thread you just don't see. This can cause confusion.

You'll only see them if they're from a user followed by someone on newsie.social. (You see THIS one, because I @'d you)

On a single person instance, you miss a lot. Relays exchange posts to partly fix it.

28 Apr 2023 at 18:51 | Open on expressional.social
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@notsoloud Thanks, sincerely. It's really eye opening and explains a lot.

28 Apr 2023 at 18:54 | Open on newsie.social
notsoloud

@GregCirillo
The Fediverse is anarcho-syndicalist or libertarian or something like that: Everything is based on individuals that enter and leave agreements at will.

I don't want to live like that in real life, but for information exchange I reckon it's better than the corporate feudalism of Facebook etc.

But for that very reason, it is also quite chaotic - not as a mad fight, but in the sense that most questions have the answer "depends..."

I choose not to fight the chaos but to glory in it.

@GregCirillo
The Fediverse is anarcho-syndicalist or libertarian or something like that: Everything is based on individuals that enter and leave agreements at will.

I don't want to live like that in real life, but for information exchange I reckon it's better than the corporate feudalism of Facebook etc.

28 Apr 2023 at 19:09 | Open on expressional.social
Shannon Clark

@GregCirillo @futurebird a few reasons a government agency might want to run their own instance (especially on their own long established domain)

1) verification that the instance and the accounts really are who they claim to be. DNS is pretty good for that combined with their existing communications

2) Compliance esp for government agencies likely need to retain all records and publications

3) continuity of service instead of relying on volunteer admins to keep a server up

28 Apr 2023 at 20:02 | Open on mastodon.social
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