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mav :happy_blob:

@Torfinn @EposVox @risottobias I genuinely do not understand how a blockchain and IPFS have anything in common at all, other than decentralization. They're completely different structures. "NFTs, IPFS, DeFi" lists two concepts and a protocol (or set of protocols.)

And as far as use in browsers go, browsers build visual interfaces for things, but I wouldn't call a modern web app exclusively browser-based. Anything with a complete API could have its interface based on anything. So I guess I'm a little confused about exactly where you're going with all of this.

Is the problem HTTP? I am really confused here and to be honest I'm not really sure what the point of continuing this is.

> What would you call all this stuff?

Well, I'd call IPFS an IP based, decentralized object store, and I'd call NFTs and DeFi pointless, harmful garbage.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:04 | Wall-to-wall | Open on hackers.town
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Torfinn replied to mav
pasta la vida replied to Torfinn

@Torfinn @mav @EposVox trying to resolve ownership is pointless - there can be as many copies as you like :)

Piracy for the win

There are only public keys and the people willing to believe them

21 Dec 2022 at 6:09 | Open on tech.lgbt
Torfinn replied to pasta la vida

@risottobias @mav @EposVox so what you don’t like about web3 primitives is that they prioritize digital chain of custody and you disagree with digital ownership?

21 Dec 2022 at 6:11 | Open on infosec.exchange
mav :happy_blob: replied to Torfinn

@Torfinn @risottobias @EposVox creating digital scarcity from objects that shouldn't be scarce is more capitalism.

In a world that needs a lot less capitalism.

So this gets into things that I would call "evil"

DRM is bad and so is this.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:19 | Open on hackers.town
mav :happy_blob: replied to mav

@Torfinn @risottobias @EposVox suddenly this place feels a lot more like Twitter.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:19 | Open on hackers.town
Torfinn replied to mav

@mav @risottobias @EposVox I don’t know how to say this in a way that isn’t capitalistic but I have data I may not want to share with you but I hope to store and I don’t expect someone to provide that service to me entirely for free although I really like the idea that you could store that data for me and make enough money to justify doing it without giving a bunch of money to AWS at a cost that equates to the cost of running the network and not incentivizing some big organization

21 Dec 2022 at 6:29 | Open on infosec.exchange
mav :happy_blob: replied to Torfinn

@Torfinn @risottobias @EposVox

But that's not a function of IPFS, you're talking about something like Filecoin.

You could just as easily do that with a handshake agreement and a direct value transfer of your choice, and save a lot of trees.

21 Dec 2022 at 15:10 | Open on hackers.town
Brian Hawthorne replied to mav

@risottobias @mav @EposVox

There’s a really easy way to fix that. Bing! I just fixed my feed.
Blocked the crypto bro.

22 Dec 2022 at 23:34 | Open on mastodon.lol
mav :happy_blob: replied to Torfinn

@Torfinn @EposVox @risottobias I haven't no. Please tell me it doesn't use a blockchain.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:13 | Open on hackers.town
mav :happy_blob: replied to mav

@Torfinn @EposVox @risottobias so having very briefly skimmed that, it kind of goes where I expected it would based on what I had already read. It's a distributed object store and it sounds like a really cool one if I had a use for one. It does seem like a logical place to start with a kind of distributed archive for key pieces of information.

What I don't understand is this whole web3 thing, and how this relates to cryptocurrency. I don't see that they relate at all, other than they use cryptography and are distributed. Lots of things do those two things.

@Torfinn @EposVox @risottobias so having very briefly skimmed that, it kind of goes where I expected it would based on what I had already read. It's a distributed object store and it sounds like a really cool one if I had a use for one. It does seem like a logical place to start with a kind of distributed archive for key pieces of information.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:17 | Open on hackers.town
Torfinn replied to mav

@mav @EposVox @risottobias curriculum.pl-launchpad.io/cur so after reading the white paper at a glance I think you can recognize that not only is IPFS distributed peer to peer network, but also that it relies on a chain of immutable data as described in the IPFS launchpad curriculum I linked.

Note, IPFS is considered by the designers and maintainers of IPFS as the linkage between web2 and web3 by enabling content addressable data the mission of filecoin to incentivize distributed decentralized data storage and ultimately safeguard all of humanities most important data. Content addressable is a step in a process.

@mav @EposVox @risottobias curriculum.pl-launchpad.io/cur so after reading the white paper at a glance I think you can recognize that not only is IPFS distributed peer to peer network, but also that it relies on a chain of immutable data as described in the IPFS launchpad curriculum I linked.

21 Dec 2022 at 6:26 | Open on infosec.exchange
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