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Ariane :btfly: Noxie

@kde for the windows stuff, there are many reasons why linux isn't catching up. Firstly ease of use. If we take a simple user story of a gamer : Let's get a computer, and play games.

buy a prebuilt at a random store.

let's skip the unfair installation/coming with windows part.

On windows : open edge -> seampowered.com -> download -> install -> install game -> play

on linux (let's assume debian based) : firefox -> steampowered.com -> download -> intall -> install game -> don't see all the game library -> understanding why that happens -> find the setting and enable it -> install game -> game won't launch -> find out why -> game requires proton GE -> firgure out what it is -> download -> unzip in compatibilitytools.d -> restart steam and change the proton version -> launch -> doesn't launch -> oh that game doesn't work anymore because of anticheat -> can't play that game.

I took a bad example, and it many cases it would be very easy. But in any case the fact Linux is not just a simple monolithic thing (different package managers, different DEs, different schedulers, different many things) makes any googling non trivial.

And that example shows one of MANY edge cases which a regular user will encounter on many occasion. Windows has the advantage of being uniform.

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Orca🌻 | 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@Ariane@m.noxie.ch @kde@floss.social
Linux: It works.
Mac: It hurts.
Windows: At least it got games.

Abandoned

@Ariane

🤔 So, the funny joke needed a straw man immolation response?

There are real structural, social and economic issues which need serious discussion and change within Free Software. But the thing you gave a free pass on, buying random computers and installing Linux, is an actual thing we have to stop doing. Hackentux machines are not normal, unless you know what you're doing.

Buy a steam deck. A gaming computer made with Linux. Then the gaming straw man disappears too.

Dawid Rejowski

@Ariane @kde

Same conversation over and over... Under posts even mentioning Linux.

ForeverAndaDay

@Ariane @kde SteamOS and the Deck Verified program significantly reduce this issue imao. Obviously it will never be perfect, but it's good enough that millions of steam decks are out in the wild, many used by primarily console players.

Ariane :btfly: Noxie

@foreverandaday
Yup it is, and I hope it continues the trend, but compared to Macs and PCs that is still a ridiculously low number :blobCat_pleading:
Also we could derive a corollary from what you said that Steamos seems to also show that without a company wanting to make money off of it, a distro is inherently non user friendly.
I cannot really fault that thinking as UX is often at best an afterthought in open source projects. KDE seems to take this more seriously since some years and this is laudable but there's still so so so much work, and distro themselves have big UX issues.
Let's hope we can see more UX specialists at Foss confs, raising awareness throughout the community. @kde

@foreverandaday
Yup it is, and I hope it continues the trend, but compared to Macs and PCs that is still a ridiculously low number :blobCat_pleading:
Also we could derive a corollary from what you said that Steamos seems to also show that without a company wanting to make money off of it, a distro is inherently non user friendly.
I cannot really fault that thinking as UX is often at best an afterthought in open source projects. KDE seems to take this more seriously since some years and this is laudable...

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