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 I’ve said previously that I don’t have a religious adherence to ActivityPub. If AT protocol takes off, cool. What’s important to know is what kind of community gets built with it, and just how decentralized it ends up becoming. But I also wonder how Bluesky can compete with the Fediverse when the Fediverse is on pace to add 1 million accounts per month. 62 comments
@CommissarMatis @atomicpoet this neglects that ActivityPub was created by a Working Group in a painful minority protecting process getting to consensus and passing Internationalization and Accessibility tests as well as a privacy review. Good luck comparing and succumbing for some light perceived advantage. Happy lock-in 😀 @rigo @CommissarMatis I mean, Zot protocol was essentially made by one guy all by himself. @atomicpoet @CommissarMatis this isn't the point. HTTP was essentially made up by one guy all by himself in CERN. As was HTML. See the difference? @rigo @CommissarMatis And much of ActivityPub didn’t start at the W3C. It was an iteration of OStatus. And prior to that, work done by @evan with his startup identi.ca. Now one thing I will say is that W3C validation was important, and was probably what created momentum for broad adoption. Anyway, competition isn’t bad. If anything, AT protocol could be the kick in the pants to improve ActivityPub. @atomicpoet @CommissarMatis @evan I don't think a single thing was started at W3C, except PICS perhaps. And I'm all ears when it comes to improving ActivityPub. @rigo @CommissarMatis @evan Well, let’s start with something obvious: nomadic identity. There’s one aspect of Bluesky that beats the pants off of Mastodon, and it could be something that might stop Mastodon’s momentum in its tracks. Bluesky has full text search. This is not a small thing. @atomicpoet I'm not advocating for discourse but if people reading this (legitimate and needed) thread plan to opt for Bluesky, _please don't_, for your own well-being, and your followers'. This won't end well. @atomicpoet And it's excellent, as usual! (I really mean it!) But there are people ITT considering joining the closed beta and I don't think they're going to like it  @shlee I mean, full text search already exists on almost every Fediverse server software except vanilla Mastodon. @atomicpoet The sins of the past are due to resolved once and for all. @atomicpoet It's just in the discord #elasticsearch channel... @shlee @atomicpoet is it weird that the more popular appeal Mastodon has, the more Gargron can’t see why he made the decisions he made a few years back?  @geordie @shlee @atomicpoet or perhaps he's just exhausted at all the post-Musk arrivals bitching they can't do full-text search and reposts. @trib @geordie @atomicpoet This conversation is coming sooner than later. The goal is to build permission into the system.. full text search, with per toot opt-out. @shlee Per toot opt-out already exists. Just use the Unlisted visibility setting. @atomicpoet that not meaning what I think it means is half of the problem. I have no idea what that actually means. @shlee It unlists your posts from Mastodon search. @atomicpoet I just use it when I don't want something showing up in the federated timeline tho  @geordie @shlee @atomicpoet Things often die when they get popular because people abandon the aspects that made it popular in the first place. And make it do email instead. @daedalus @geordie @atomicpoet I’d rather they just turn everything into tumblr instead. @shlee @daedalus @geordie @atomicpoet you just want the porn relics? 😜 @atomicpoet So does #Akkoma. You can choose between different engines, e.g. ElasticSearch, and it works just fine.
@atomicpoet is it because there is only ONE instance at the moment? When there are more AT protocol implementation instances - hope this still works. @rom Don’t think so. Full text search works on other Fediverse server software. This isn’t something that’s all that technically hard to implement.  @atomicpoet Is the lack of full text search on Mastodon on purpose or due to tech limitations? @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @muiiio@mst.muiiio.com the follower list of a remote user only shows users on the instance where you're active in  @atomicpoet #InVancouver. Problem solved. If no hash, rooter doesn’t care for their stuff to be searchable. @mori That doesn't solve the problem at all. I care enough to be searchable (see my profile) and I refuse to use more than one hashtag in any one post. Most people want full text search. It's probably the number one complaint about Mastodon, and a major reason so many people don't adopt it. @atomicpoet Maybe an ability to opt out of full text search then. I like knowing that if I don’t put in any hashtags that my posts stay small time. That’s a feature for me and I assume other on here. I understand the benefits of full text search, and there are valid uses for it. But also like that haters can’t easily hunt down and insert themselves into random convos very easily. @mori You can already set your posts to not be indexed in search. Just use the unlisted visibility option that opts you out of search. See screenshot. Apparently, I can't use Bluesky on a desktop web browser yet. With Mastodon, I can. So that's one win in Mastodon's favour. CORRECTION: You can use Bluesky through a web browser via their staging site. However, staging sites generally aren't meant to be permanent. You probably shouldn't do it that way. @atomicpoet Yes you can. Their web site were already in development. Just try their staging site: https://staging.bsky.app, it’s the same env as your iOS app. 😄   @atomicpoet in mastodon’s favour is also the fact that’s it’s NOT owned by or related to Jack Dorsey. That’s a huge win. I’d rather have strange UI/UX related things to deal with, even the bloody dream team of reply guys to the eternity, as long as it stays this way.  @atomicpoet only one instance though? How will text search work if there are thousands? Just search the local one? @pre I imagine the same way it works on the Fediverse. See also: https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/110190597023547930 |
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@atomicpoet I second that - for me my position is "I don't care if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice". If the AT protocol turns out to be superior then I'm all for Mastodon and others to adopt the protocol.