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Ed

@Gargron @blaine you don’t get to control that. Mastodon has become like “Kleenex” instead of “facial tissue” and it is very possible that it a court of competent jurisdiction takes away some of your rights to control how “Mastodon” is used. If enough people do use the term “Mastodon” to mean to “Fediverse”, eventually you will lose your trademark rights.

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Eugen Rochko

@peepstein @blaine I am not aware of anyone who is using "Mastodon" to refer to the fediverse. When somebody says "join Mastodon", I have not seen a single case where what they actually meant was "sign up on Pixelfed or Pleroma". Mastodon is a platform that is part of the fediverse but is distinct by its software.

tallship

@Gargron @peepstein @blaine

Really Eugen?

Your interview with Time Magazine notwithstanding?

That was IMO, a grave error on your part - conflating mastodon with #Fediverse and without one single utterance of the word "Fediverse" throughout.

It served to cause much of this confusion on the part of n00bs and as a result, now jeopardizes your trademark.

Fact: There's no such thing as a mastodon network. Only the #ActivityPub powered Fediverse

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Steve Bate

@tallship @Gargron @peepstein @blaine Of course, the "Fediverse" (whatever that is, exactly) is not just powered by ActivityPub. For example, there is Diaspora, Matrix, Nostr, Zot, and so on. Of the part that is powered by some variant of ActivityPub, Mastodon has about 84% marketshare according to the statistics gatherers. That may be why it's so easy to conflate the two? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparis

Kingsley Uyi Idehen

@steve,

To preform the following actions, in loosely-coupled fashion, across #SocialMedia enclaves (or #DataSpaces) you need an open protocol (what #ActivityPub offers):

1. Create Posts (or Notes)
2. Follow Post (or Note) Authors
3. Like or UnLike a Post
4. Announce (or Boost) a Post
5. Delete Post

The collective arising from ActivityPub usage is the #Fediverse.

Mastodon has made the above both popular and broadly accepted.

/cc @tallship @Gargron @peepstein @blaine @atomicpoet

@steve,

To preform the following actions, in loosely-coupled fashion, across #SocialMedia enclaves (or #DataSpaces) you need an open protocol (what #ActivityPub offers):

1. Create Posts (or Notes)
2. Follow Post (or Note) Authors
3. Like or UnLike a Post
4. Announce (or Boost) a Post
5. Delete Post

The collective arising from ActivityPub usage is the #Fediverse.

Kingsley Uyi Idehen

@steve,

The @Mastodon and #Fediverse confusion is partly due to the fact that Mastodon only supports the Server-Server aspect of #ActivityPub while using its own #API for Client-Server interactions. Net effect, it has the lions share of clients generally perceived as Fediverse clients -- which is a strategic point of vulnerability over the longterm, IMHO.

/cc @tallship @Gargron @peepstein @blaine @atomicpoet

Steve Bate replied to Kingsley Uyi Idehen

@kidehen @Mastodon @tallship @Gargron @peepstein @blaine @atomicpoet Interesting point. If the "Fediverse" is about federation then the S2S aspect of #ActivityPub enables that federation, not the AP C2S part (which doesn't even require a federated server). For that reason, I think clients using the Mastodon C2S API are actually Fediverse clients (among others). If you'd like a challenging exercise, try defining the full Mastodon C2S API using the AP C2S spec (including event streaming, etc.)

Kingsley Uyi Idehen replied to Steve

@steve,

Yes, Server-Server (#S2S) is handling the federation aspect, but it gets tripped up in the broader sense of loose-coupling of clients and servers which is quite important.

The #Fediverse benefits from clients with rich #UI/#UX available to all #ActivityPub servers rather than just @Mastodon -- especially if that's kinda forced via its platform-specific #API.

This concern is from experience re #SocialMedia platform dynamics 😀

/cc @tallship @Gargron @peepstein @blaine @atomicpoet

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